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I'm from Austria. We have thousands of refugees crossing our border from Hungary daily right now, since they are being treated like animals there. [0] Civil so

by cel1ne 11y ago

I'm from Austria. We have thousands of refugees crossing our border from Hungary daily right now, since they are being treated like animals there. [0] Civil society responded quickly: here in Vienna there are thousands of volunteers providing food, shelter and medicine, even going into the camps in hungary and rescuing people out from there, bringing them (probably illegally, the situation isn't clear) across the border into our country. People who drive there to bring them medicine risk being beaten and arrested by hungarian police. Or picking them up from the road. The kids have bloody feet from walking and many parents almost breaking down from carrying them and the exhaustion. Libanon is currently receiving most of the refugees: about 2 Million in a country of 6 million. Imagine that. If a society is capable of this, surely it's possible to distribute another 2 million into 25 EU-states. In Austria, we have a population of around 8 million. In 1992 we took about 90.000 refugees. Since WW2 we apparently had 2 million refugees, 700.000 stayed here. [1] We are one of the richest countries in the world. It works. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoKpuXA9myw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoKpuXA9myw [1] http://www.unhcr.at/english/asylum-country-with-tradition.html http://www.unhcr.at/english/asylum-country-with-tradition.ht...

usaphp 11y ago
Yeah and then this happens because they don't want to integrate into European counties because most of those immigrants still think west is evil and they laugh at our values: http://shoebat.com/2015/03/02/austria-makes-new-law-muslims-can-no-longer-speak-arabic-all-muslims-must-now-speak-german/ http://shoebat.com/2015/03/02/austria-makes-new-law-muslims-...
- cel1ne 11y ago
  That law basically states that muslim preachers in hospitals or who are teaching at schools or universities have to BE ABLE to speak german, so that the german-only speaking muslims, who exist as well, can understand them. The concept is called "official language of a country". Right-Wing parties in Turkey are criticizing the law. The muslim organisations inside Austria are supporting it. The law has nothing to do with the refugee-crisis. EDITED: the muslim youth-organization in Austria oppose the law. The official organisation isn't happy with some points, for example that the law forbids financing their religious organisations with foreign money, but they state that "It's a compromise, which seems to come close to both sides." The law definitely isn't perfect, but it's a different topic.
  - phaer 11y ago
    I don't have a strong opinion on the that law, but it's just not true that most muslim organisations in Austria support it. Their official representatives, the IGGÖ are rather critical[1], the muslim youth of Austria strongly opposed it[2]. Both links are in german, sorry. But you are, of course, right that this law has nothing to do with war refugees entering austria. [1]: http://www.derislam.at/?f=news&shownews=1960 http://www.derislam.at/?f=news&shownews=1960 [2]: http://www.mjoe.at/articles/article/regierung-beschliesst-anti-islamgesetz/ http://www.mjoe.at/articles/article/regierung-beschliesst-an...
    - cel1ne 11y ago
      You are right, I made an Edit.
lllllll 11y ago
Germany will have around 1M refugees in 2015 alone. Maybe 1.3M in 2016, maybe 1.7M in 2017? Considering most asylum seekers will bring their families(let's average 2 people more each one) along afterwards. That's only considering Syria. Now think about Lybia getting worse(it actually is) -> Lybian refugees. Wars in Eritrea, Iraq, Nigeria, Yemen! -> Other refugees ... There are also refugees from not-at-war countries whose life is at high risk (Pakistan, Iran, Somalia). At the same time consider that Greece can't pay its pensioners, Italy, Spain, Portugal are not that crazily better. High unemployment. Other European countries such as Romania, Hungary, Poland, Croatia,etc are just starting to grow and match EU standards. There's also a risk of importing their conflicts to EU streets - e.g. Kurds+Turks in Germany/Austria/Switzerland. There's been fights already in the last days in Switzerland and Stockholm. I believe refugees should be given help and a safe shelter by sponsoring and building communities in borrowed land from Turkey/Lebannon/Jordan. However I'm of the opinion that inviting them to stay in the EU makes everything more complicated and expensive(which doesn't maximize the number of refugees you can help per euro) AND encourages the ones who can afford to pay human smugglers to risk their lives by crossing the sea.

by cel1ne 11y ago

usaphp 11y ago

Yeah and then this happens because they don't want to integrate into European counties because most of those immigrants still think west is evil and they laugh at our values: http://shoebat.com/2015/03/02/austria-makes-new-law-muslims-can-no-longer-speak-arabic-all-muslims-must-now-speak-german/ http://shoebat.com/2015/03/02/austria-makes-new-law-muslims-...

cel1ne 11y ago
That law basically states that muslim preachers in hospitals or who are teaching at schools or universities have to BE ABLE to speak german, so that the german-only speaking muslims, who exist as well, can understand them. The concept is called "official language of a country". Right-Wing parties in Turkey are criticizing the law. The muslim organisations inside Austria are supporting it. The law has nothing to do with the refugee-crisis. EDITED: the muslim youth-organization in Austria oppose the law. The official organisation isn't happy with some points, for example that the law forbids financing their religious organisations with foreign money, but they state that "It's a compromise, which seems to come close to both sides." The law definitely isn't perfect, but it's a different topic.
- phaer 11y ago
  I don't have a strong opinion on the that law, but it's just not true that most muslim organisations in Austria support it. Their official representatives, the IGGÖ are rather critical[1], the muslim youth of Austria strongly opposed it[2]. Both links are in german, sorry. But you are, of course, right that this law has nothing to do with war refugees entering austria. [1]: http://www.derislam.at/?f=news&shownews=1960 http://www.derislam.at/?f=news&shownews=1960 [2]: http://www.mjoe.at/articles/article/regierung-beschliesst-anti-islamgesetz/ http://www.mjoe.at/articles/article/regierung-beschliesst-an...
  - cel1ne 11y ago
    You are right, I made an Edit.

lllllll 11y ago

Germany will have around 1M refugees in 2015 alone. Maybe 1.3M in 2016, maybe 1.7M in 2017? Considering most asylum seekers will bring their families(let's average 2 people more each one) along afterwards. That's only considering Syria. Now think about Lybia getting worse(it actually is) -> Lybian refugees. Wars in Eritrea, Iraq, Nigeria, Yemen! -> Other refugees ... There are also refugees from not-at-war countries whose life is at high risk (Pakistan, Iran, Somalia). At the same time consider that Greece can't pay its pensioners, Italy, Spain, Portugal are not that crazily better. High unemployment. Other European countries such as Romania, Hungary, Poland, Croatia,etc are just starting to grow and match EU standards. There's also a risk of importing their conflicts to EU streets - e.g. Kurds+Turks in Germany/Austria/Switzerland. There's been fights already in the last days in Switzerland and Stockholm. I believe refugees should be given help and a safe shelter by sponsoring and building communities in borrowed land from Turkey/Lebannon/Jordan. However I'm of the opinion that inviting them to stay in the EU makes everything more complicated and expensive(which doesn't maximize the number of refugees you can help per euro) AND encourages the ones who can afford to pay human smugglers to risk their lives by crossing the sea.