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> taxes I was hoping that it wouldn't come down to that sort of thing - exploiting the refugees as a taxable resource. Because it seems kind of two-faced, to h

> taxes I was hoping that it wouldn't come down to that sort of thing - exploiting the refugees as a taxable resource. Because it seems kind of two-faced, to have Janus wear compassion/universalism on one side and to have taxing/demographic sustainability on the other side. Have some more goddamn kids.

toyg 11y ago
Truth is, most migrants end up benefiting their new country despite a general hostility towards them. It's always been like that, even in XIX century US. So there is no hypocrisy really: we are not letting them in "because they help with taxes", that's a secondary side-effect that we are forced to emphasize in modern debate only because we have to fight naturally-xenophobic elements in our societies.
- guard-of-terra 11y ago
  Can we put (dubious in my opinion) benefits from migrants against girls (including teenage and children) raped by said migrants and weight it up? How much money does one child rape cost? https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/muslim_rape_wave_in_sweden/ https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/muslim_rape_wave_... from another thread. And this is not unique, in the UK they busted like a dozen of underage brothels any of which had dozens of underage girls abducted, beaten and made prostitute. Brothels of course run by muslim immigrants. How much benefits does that cost?
socket0 11y ago
We're all someone's cattle in some greater scheme. The community funds education and healthcare, not because we're nice people, but because there's a net benefit to having a healthy and educated workforce. It's cynical and sad, but also realistic. > Have some more goddamn kids. Volunteers for the bordercases EU breeding programme eagerly awaited! :)
- bordercases 11y ago
  > kids A demographic inverse pyramid occurs when parents decide to breed below replacement rate. I intend to have two or more children, preferably around four children, as a way of ensuring that my values exist more strongly over the coming decades. It's a form of game theoretic cooperation with my culture in what resembles a Commons problem.
  - guard-of-terra 11y ago
    I would say we had a population bubble. "Inverse pyramid" is a fallout from bubble. It happened that many people were born and raised, setting all-time population records, and trying to keep this number increase forever and forever is unviable. One may argue that there's still a lot of land for people to live in, but truth is people skip villages and small towns for capitals because they're not needed where they used to live. There's land, but there's no demand.

toyg 11y ago

Truth is, most migrants end up benefiting their new country despite a general hostility towards them. It's always been like that, even in XIX century US. So there is no hypocrisy really: we are not letting them in "because they help with taxes", that's a secondary side-effect that we are forced to emphasize in modern debate only because we have to fight naturally-xenophobic elements in our societies.

guard-of-terra 11y ago
Can we put (dubious in my opinion) benefits from migrants against girls (including teenage and children) raped by said migrants and weight it up? How much money does one child rape cost? https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/muslim_rape_wave_in_sweden/ https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/muslim_rape_wave_... from another thread. And this is not unique, in the UK they busted like a dozen of underage brothels any of which had dozens of underage girls abducted, beaten and made prostitute. Brothels of course run by muslim immigrants. How much benefits does that cost?

socket0 11y ago

We're all someone's cattle in some greater scheme. The community funds education and healthcare, not because we're nice people, but because there's a net benefit to having a healthy and educated workforce. It's cynical and sad, but also realistic. > Have some more goddamn kids. Volunteers for the bordercases EU breeding programme eagerly awaited! :)

bordercases 11y ago
> kids A demographic inverse pyramid occurs when parents decide to breed below replacement rate. I intend to have two or more children, preferably around four children, as a way of ensuring that my values exist more strongly over the coming decades. It's a form of game theoretic cooperation with my culture in what resembles a Commons problem.
- guard-of-terra 11y ago
  I would say we had a population bubble. "Inverse pyramid" is a fallout from bubble. It happened that many people were born and raised, setting all-time population records, and trying to keep this number increase forever and forever is unviable. One may argue that there's still a lot of land for people to live in, but truth is people skip villages and small towns for capitals because they're not needed where they used to live. There's land, but there's no demand.