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> ...20 years later that scene is horribly sexist and a sign of the times. IIRC, (and I may not RC) that scene is Jolie and Miller engaging in sexual role-play

> ...20 years later that scene is horribly sexist and a sign of the times. IIRC, (and I may not RC) that scene is Jolie and Miller engaging in sexual role-play. A few moments later, we cut to what's actually going on: the pair is making out on a bed, and their friends have just walked in to deliver good news, but are currently gawping at the spectacle. Jolie notices the gawpers, gets up, calls them something off-color, and we get to hear the good news. Is my memory of the scene dramatically off the mark, or am I missing the sexism?

angersock 11y ago
These days, anything remotely sex-positive for heterosexuality is usually claimed to be sexist.¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- simoncion 11y ago
  I understand the appeal of making such a cathartic comment, but I'm trying to discover the root of jedberg's opinion. I expect that the reason behind his opinion will be substantially more nuanced than your comment makes it out to be. :)
- gaius 11y ago
  Quite. She's absolutely 100% in control and doing what she wants to do. I guess some people find that threatening and try to use a trigger word to shut it down.
jedberg 11y ago
The sexism is that part that they cut -- the gratuitous nudity.
- simoncion 11y ago
  I feel that there is great value in a society that treats the bare female torso in the same way it treats the bare male torso. To treat each differently is sexist. Moreover, it's pretty important for accessible examples of people engaging in healthy, sex-positive sexual activities to exist. There's a lot of repression, shaming, and misinformation out there about a thing that's -when done with a little bit of forethought and care- pretty fun. Reasonable people may disagree, but that those are my opinions on the matter.
efdee 11y ago
I thought (but I'd have to watch the movie again) that the sexual Miller/Jolie scene was a dream Miller was having. He was alone in his room and woke up to cops (or possible the Plague) busting in and threathening him.

angersock 11y ago

These days, anything remotely sex-positive for heterosexuality is usually claimed to be sexist.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

simoncion 11y ago
I understand the appeal of making such a cathartic comment, but I'm trying to discover the root of jedberg's opinion. I expect that the reason behind his opinion will be substantially more nuanced than your comment makes it out to be. :)
gaius 11y ago
Quite. She's absolutely 100% in control and doing what she wants to do. I guess some people find that threatening and try to use a trigger word to shut it down.

jedberg 11y ago

The sexism is that part that they cut -- the gratuitous nudity.

simoncion 11y ago
I feel that there is great value in a society that treats the bare female torso in the same way it treats the bare male torso. To treat each differently is sexist. Moreover, it's pretty important for accessible examples of people engaging in healthy, sex-positive sexual activities to exist. There's a lot of repression, shaming, and misinformation out there about a thing that's -when done with a little bit of forethought and care- pretty fun. Reasonable people may disagree, but that those are my opinions on the matter.

efdee 11y ago

I thought (but I'd have to watch the movie again) that the sexual Miller/Jolie scene was a dream Miller was having. He was alone in his room and woke up to cops (or possible the Plague) busting in and threathening him.