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>especially the INS that overseas universities are legitimate I've seen this particularly with Eastern European countries and India. Two quick anecdotes, A g

>especially the INS that overseas universities are legitimate I've seen this particularly with Eastern European countries and India. Two quick anecdotes, A girl I knew in High School came to the U.S. from Poland. Her father was a surgeon. The medical license and degrees weren't recognized here. He worked as a janitor at night while going to school (again) to qualify for the board exams. I've noticed in many organizations that universities in India are sometimes viewed with suspicious as the quality of the output (in the IT field) can vary wildly. The ITTTs for example are considered fine, but there are hundreds of other schools that are very hard to get any visibility on. In a few disastrous cases I've seen, people were hired based on their 4 year degree in CS or IS or IT, yet they graduated without ever having written a single line of code! It becomes very hard to filter those people out without having a fairly extensive pre-interview screening process.

rdtsc 17y ago
> I've noticed in many organizations that universities in India are sometimes viewed with suspicious as the quality of the output (in the IT field) can vary wildly. I have seen that first-hand. From my experience, H1B workers from India are very under-qualified. They are usually hired for their low pay demands not for exceptional knowledge. I don't want to start a flame war, this is just my experience, but the level of knowledge of some H1B employees is that of a someone taking a few community college courses. No theortical background. Most don't know what an algorithm is, instead they repeat a set of jargon IT words they read somewhere in a book. While we are on the stereotyping bandwagon, I have noticed that programmers from Eastern Europe & former Soviet Block have a much better grasp of CS theory and math. Chinese programmers fall somewhere in between. Again, downvote if you like, this is just what I observed, I don't know why that is and your experience will probably vary.
- elblanco 17y ago
  Yes it's stereotyping and yes it's bad and all that. But I think my experiences are roughly on par with yours. I've seen some absolutely stellar Indian hires though, but they really tended to come from the better, more established schools. A colleague of mine has been staffing her department heavily with Indian candidates not because the asking salary is cheaper, but because that just so happens to be where most of the candidates are coming from. >instead they repeat a set of jargon IT words they read somewhere in a book I've noticed the IT-jargon diarrhea as a pervasive problem on Indian resumes. Of the couple hundred or so resumes I've reviewed in the last six months, only the Indian ones had a section under each previous employer labeled "environment" followed by a list of every hot IT technology in the last 20 years. Sometimes to comical effect, "wow you worked in a place that used Cobol, Java Server Pages, Perl, Python, Ruby, AND Quantum Computing? And you list that you are an expert in the Waterfall Methodology AND RAD?". I admire our immigrant population for coming to seek a better life and typically for their awesome work ethic. But sometimes the standard Resume Writing 101 course that seems to be taught at every Indian IT trade school does a disservice to them.

rdtsc 17y ago

> I've noticed in many organizations that universities in India are sometimes viewed with suspicious as the quality of the output (in the IT field) can vary wildly. I have seen that first-hand. From my experience, H1B workers from India are very under-qualified. They are usually hired for their low pay demands not for exceptional knowledge. I don't want to start a flame war, this is just my experience, but the level of knowledge of some H1B employees is that of a someone taking a few community college courses. No theortical background. Most don't know what an algorithm is, instead they repeat a set of jargon IT words they read somewhere in a book. While we are on the stereotyping bandwagon, I have noticed that programmers from Eastern Europe & former Soviet Block have a much better grasp of CS theory and math. Chinese programmers fall somewhere in between. Again, downvote if you like, this is just what I observed, I don't know why that is and your experience will probably vary.

elblanco 17y ago
Yes it's stereotyping and yes it's bad and all that. But I think my experiences are roughly on par with yours. I've seen some absolutely stellar Indian hires though, but they really tended to come from the better, more established schools. A colleague of mine has been staffing her department heavily with Indian candidates not because the asking salary is cheaper, but because that just so happens to be where most of the candidates are coming from. >instead they repeat a set of jargon IT words they read somewhere in a book I've noticed the IT-jargon diarrhea as a pervasive problem on Indian resumes. Of the couple hundred or so resumes I've reviewed in the last six months, only the Indian ones had a section under each previous employer labeled "environment" followed by a list of every hot IT technology in the last 20 years. Sometimes to comical effect, "wow you worked in a place that used Cobol, Java Server Pages, Perl, Python, Ruby, AND Quantum Computing? And you list that you are an expert in the Waterfall Methodology AND RAD?". I admire our immigrant population for coming to seek a better life and typically for their awesome work ethic. But sometimes the standard Resume Writing 101 course that seems to be taught at every Indian IT trade school does a disservice to them.