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> http://www.notion.so/ http://www.notion.so/ I love more than anything else, sites that treat me as a second-class citizen for using a non-proprietary browser

> http://www.notion.so/ http://www.notion.so/ I love more than anything else, sites that treat me as a second-class citizen for using a non-proprietary browser. They must have so many users already, that they don't mind alienating a large portion of their audience.

542458 11y ago
> treat me as a second-class citizen I think you're being a little excessively hyperbolic. They don't support your browser yet and state as much - that's hardly malicious or demeaning to you. They also promise support is coming soon. It's a very early phase product that uses a lot of newer and less universal APIs. It's not that they have so many users that they don't care - rather, it's that they're still beta testing and haven't been able to devote the resources yet. I really fail to see the problem here.
- barrkel 11y ago
  You only get one chance to make a first impression, etc. I have a similar antipathy for Quora for requiring facebook logins to view their content (not actually theirs, their users' content) that came up during search results. I believe they've now dropped the facebook login requirement, and I think they now show a lot of content from organic search traffic, but I plan on ignoring them anyway for as long as possible.
  - 542458 11y ago
    Oh, I don't disagree that the specific method followed by this site is garbage. I just felt that the comment I was replying to was overanalyzing the motives behind a relatively innocuous (if poorly thought out) piece of content.
Ianvdl 11y ago
It's very short-sighted (even arrogant?) on the developer's part to assume that someone will switch to a different browser just for their site. And it's not just non-proprietary browsers, it's just any browser not cherry picked by the developer, which for some inexplicable reason includes the iPhone but not Firefox, Edge or Opera.
cozzyd 11y ago
To add insult to injury, it also seems to work fine (though I didn't compare to Chrome) if you override the user agent. edit: I didn't actually try to sign up for early access.. it's completely possible that that portion of the site doesn't work in Firefox, but there's no reason to block users from even seeing what it's about...
jeswin 11y ago
The reason they probably had to do this was because contentEditable works differently in each browser, and probably even between versions. I've tried to make a similar component earlier, and it was a frustrating experience. Pretty sure they'd have supported all browsers if it was just about typical HTML and CSS. If this is true (I don't know), we should blame the lack of standardization instead.

542458 11y ago

> treat me as a second-class citizen I think you're being a little excessively hyperbolic. They don't support your browser yet and state as much - that's hardly malicious or demeaning to you. They also promise support is coming soon. It's a very early phase product that uses a lot of newer and less universal APIs. It's not that they have so many users that they don't care - rather, it's that they're still beta testing and haven't been able to devote the resources yet. I really fail to see the problem here.

barrkel 11y ago
You only get one chance to make a first impression, etc. I have a similar antipathy for Quora for requiring facebook logins to view their content (not actually theirs, their users' content) that came up during search results. I believe they've now dropped the facebook login requirement, and I think they now show a lot of content from organic search traffic, but I plan on ignoring them anyway for as long as possible.
- 542458 11y ago
  Oh, I don't disagree that the specific method followed by this site is garbage. I just felt that the comment I was replying to was overanalyzing the motives behind a relatively innocuous (if poorly thought out) piece of content.

Ianvdl 11y ago

It's very short-sighted (even arrogant?) on the developer's part to assume that someone will switch to a different browser just for their site. And it's not just non-proprietary browsers, it's just any browser not cherry picked by the developer, which for some inexplicable reason includes the iPhone but not Firefox, Edge or Opera.

cozzyd 11y ago

To add insult to injury, it also seems to work fine (though I didn't compare to Chrome) if you override the user agent. edit: I didn't actually try to sign up for early access.. it's completely possible that that portion of the site doesn't work in Firefox, but there's no reason to block users from even seeing what it's about...

jeswin 11y ago

The reason they probably had to do this was because contentEditable works differently in each browser, and probably even between versions. I've tried to make a similar component earlier, and it was a frustrating experience. Pretty sure they'd have supported all browsers if it was just about typical HTML and CSS. If this is true (I don't know), we should blame the lack of standardization instead.