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The fact that they're interacting with Is there a choice? They are stuck in a cage bored out of their minds. It is not like they were roaming free in the wild

by vijayr 11y ago

The fact that they're interacting with Is there a choice? They are stuck in a cage bored out of their minds. It is not like they were roaming free in the wild and found the giant screen and started playing with it. I've no interest in video games - but if I am stuck in a cage and the only option is to play video games, what am I going to do? Sooner or later I'll check it out, no?

david-given 11y ago
Sorry, I don't understand your last argument. There's a thing that you don't want to do, and you have a free choice whether to do it or not, but you're saying that you'd do it just because it's available? Surely that just means that you do want to do it, no? Likewise, the pigs have the same choice. If they don't like the game, they can, e.g. face in the other direction so they don't have to see it (like I do in pubs that play sport on TV). (In fact, I'd be interested to see if any pigs do this.) Besides, pigs are social animals, and there's plenty to do in that cage --- there are other pigs to interact with.
- jpreiland 11y ago
  > but you're saying that you'd do it just because it's available? Surely that just means that you do want to do it, no? He's saying he'd do it if it's the only thing available
- noondip 11y ago
  > they can, e.g. face in the other direction so they don't have to see it (like I do in pubs that play sport on TV) Some don't want to be in a pub at all.
Lawtonfogle 11y ago
I guess the question becomes, if you had to choose between being stuck in a cage without video games and being stuck in a cage with them, which would you choose? There are many things I don't like, but in most cases I would rather have them in the cage with me than not. In short, my view is that if you add another option at no cost, no matter how bad that option is, the situation is never worse for it being added.

by vijayr 11y ago

david-given 11y ago

Sorry, I don't understand your last argument. There's a thing that you don't want to do, and you have a free choice whether to do it or not, but you're saying that you'd do it just because it's available? Surely that just means that you do want to do it, no? Likewise, the pigs have the same choice. If they don't like the game, they can, e.g. face in the other direction so they don't have to see it (like I do in pubs that play sport on TV). (In fact, I'd be interested to see if any pigs do this.) Besides, pigs are social animals, and there's plenty to do in that cage --- there are other pigs to interact with.

jpreiland 11y ago
> but you're saying that you'd do it just because it's available? Surely that just means that you do want to do it, no? He's saying he'd do it if it's the only thing available
noondip 11y ago
> they can, e.g. face in the other direction so they don't have to see it (like I do in pubs that play sport on TV) Some don't want to be in a pub at all.

Lawtonfogle 11y ago

I guess the question becomes, if you had to choose between being stuck in a cage without video games and being stuck in a cage with them, which would you choose? There are many things I don't like, but in most cases I would rather have them in the cage with me than not. In short, my view is that if you add another option at no cost, no matter how bad that option is, the situation is never worse for it being added.