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There is also among `Woofers' a lot of people into <edit> natural/magical </edit> healing and clearly living in la-la-land. But guess what, that won't come int

There is also among `Woofers' a lot of people into <edit> natural/magical </edit> healing and clearly living in la-la-land. But guess what, that won't come into play when you move boxes of apples from the barn to the pig stable(? not sure of the word here). Be it organic or industrial or whatyacallit it's not a bad idea to sometimes get down on the ground to pick up vegetables for supper for a short 2-3 days farm trip. > Yeah, let's cover our food with natural fertilizers that are less effective, sometimes dangerous, and more likely to run off into rivers and cause ecological damage, Huhu, you totally know what you are talking about. For the record I am not into organic (but I am into the local food thingie, to each its own).

Latty 11y ago
I'm not saying natural things are bad, I'm saying 'natural' (and, by extension, 'organic') means nothing about if the product is safe, tasty, ecologically friendly, effective, local, etc... (all the things people traditionally tout organic food as) It's a nonsense bit of advertising, and anyone using it to imply their products are good either believes that or is trying to trick me - either way, I don't want to buy/be involved with that thing. > Huhu, you totally know what you are talking about. And why do you think I don't? If you think something I'm saying is wrong, please explain it to me so I can learn.
- jMyles 11y ago
  > I'm saying 'natural' (and, by extension, 'organic') Why are you conflating "natural," which in this context is as meaningless as you say, with "organic," which is not? While I don't have confidence in the FDA to check or enforce the definition, it is defined for agricultural purposes in the USA. If you know someone that claims that their products are organic when in fact they aren't, you can report them. Here's some info: http://www.ams.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media/About%20the%20National%20Organic%20Program.pdf http://www.ams.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media/About%20th...
jMyles 11y ago
> holistic healing What's wrong with holistic healing? Perhaps you are thinking of homeopathy?
- johnchristopher 11y ago
  My bad, I mixed up some wording when translating my thoughts on the fly, I wanted to refer to the whole chakra/mysticism/body-heals-itself and `holistic' came out (there must be some kind of cognitivo-linguistic explanation that would explain it but that'd be a poor excuse for what is essentially a lack of attention on my part).
  - magic_beans 11y ago
    I mean... all that "chakra" breathing actually has a dramatic effect on the parasympathetic nervous system and stress reactions. It's not all bullshit. Medicine came from somewhere.
    - johnchristopher 11y ago
      Did you miss the point on purpose ? Also: > [redacted out] breathing actually has a dramatic effect on the parasympathetic nervous system and stress reactions
    - RIMR 11y ago
      >all that "chakra" breathing actually has a dramatic effect on the parasympathetic nervous system and stress reactions. You aren't wrong, but that doesn't mean that "chakras" exist. Meditation is good for you, that's all. No magic here.
      - jMyles 11y ago
        Are you saying that people who use the chakra abstraction to think about the human body are claiming that they have magical powers? That is not my experience. It's just an abstraction to ease consideration of the complexity. It's no different than dividing the body into "circulatory system," "endocrine system," etc. These designations are also not well-defined (ie, reasonable people disagree about whether various parts of the anatomy belong in one system or the other), but they make it much easier to learn about the body and how one can expect it to work. The chakras were created (ie, defined) in the 700s and have worked well for many people since that time. Nobody (that I know of) is claiming they are "magic."

Latty 11y ago

I'm not saying natural things are bad, I'm saying 'natural' (and, by extension, 'organic') means nothing about if the product is safe, tasty, ecologically friendly, effective, local, etc... (all the things people traditionally tout organic food as) It's a nonsense bit of advertising, and anyone using it to imply their products are good either believes that or is trying to trick me - either way, I don't want to buy/be involved with that thing. > Huhu, you totally know what you are talking about. And why do you think I don't? If you think something I'm saying is wrong, please explain it to me so I can learn.

jMyles 11y ago
> I'm saying 'natural' (and, by extension, 'organic') Why are you conflating "natural," which in this context is as meaningless as you say, with "organic," which is not? While I don't have confidence in the FDA to check or enforce the definition, it is defined for agricultural purposes in the USA. If you know someone that claims that their products are organic when in fact they aren't, you can report them. Here's some info: http://www.ams.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media/About%20the%20National%20Organic%20Program.pdf http://www.ams.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media/About%20th...

jMyles 11y ago

> holistic healing What's wrong with holistic healing? Perhaps you are thinking of homeopathy?

johnchristopher 11y ago
My bad, I mixed up some wording when translating my thoughts on the fly, I wanted to refer to the whole chakra/mysticism/body-heals-itself and `holistic' came out (there must be some kind of cognitivo-linguistic explanation that would explain it but that'd be a poor excuse for what is essentially a lack of attention on my part).
- magic_beans 11y ago
  I mean... all that "chakra" breathing actually has a dramatic effect on the parasympathetic nervous system and stress reactions. It's not all bullshit. Medicine came from somewhere.
  - johnchristopher 11y ago
    Did you miss the point on purpose ? Also: > [redacted out] breathing actually has a dramatic effect on the parasympathetic nervous system and stress reactions
  - RIMR 11y ago
    >all that "chakra" breathing actually has a dramatic effect on the parasympathetic nervous system and stress reactions. You aren't wrong, but that doesn't mean that "chakras" exist. Meditation is good for you, that's all. No magic here.
    - jMyles 11y ago
      Are you saying that people who use the chakra abstraction to think about the human body are claiming that they have magical powers? That is not my experience. It's just an abstraction to ease consideration of the complexity. It's no different than dividing the body into "circulatory system," "endocrine system," etc. These designations are also not well-defined (ie, reasonable people disagree about whether various parts of the anatomy belong in one system or the other), but they make it much easier to learn about the body and how one can expect it to work. The chakras were created (ie, defined) in the 700s and have worked well for many people since that time. Nobody (that I know of) is claiming they are "magic."