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Why can't we leave the animals alone? Want to play with them? Then play with them in person, in natural surroundings. Those poor pigs are already stuffed inside

by vijayr 11y ago

Why can't we leave the animals alone? Want to play with them? Then play with them in person, in natural surroundings. Those poor pigs are already stuffed inside a cage and now they have to chase a ball on a big screen for the amusement of humans? I know I am going to be downvoted for this, but I don't understand this at all.

david-given 11y ago
Why do you say 'forced'? They're not being punished for not interacting with the screen. In fact, looking at the pictures, they're not even being incentivised for interacting with the screen. There's nothing to stop them completely ignoring it and getting on with their own things; let them choose. The fact that they're interacting with it all seems to indicate they're getting some kind of value out of the game.
- vijayr 11y ago
  The fact that they're interacting with Is there a choice? They are stuck in a cage bored out of their minds. It is not like they were roaming free in the wild and found the giant screen and started playing with it. I've no interest in video games - but if I am stuck in a cage and the only option is to play video games, what am I going to do? Sooner or later I'll check it out, no?
  - david-given 11y ago
    Sorry, I don't understand your last argument. There's a thing that you don't want to do, and you have a free choice whether to do it or not, but you're saying that you'd do it just because it's available? Surely that just means that you do want to do it, no? Likewise, the pigs have the same choice. If they don't like the game, they can, e.g. face in the other direction so they don't have to see it (like I do in pubs that play sport on TV). (In fact, I'd be interested to see if any pigs do this.) Besides, pigs are social animals, and there's plenty to do in that cage --- there are other pigs to interact with.
    - jpreiland 11y ago
      > but you're saying that you'd do it just because it's available? Surely that just means that you do want to do it, no? He's saying he'd do it if it's the only thing available
    - noondip 11y ago
      > they can, e.g. face in the other direction so they don't have to see it (like I do in pubs that play sport on TV) Some don't want to be in a pub at all.
  - Lawtonfogle 11y ago
    I guess the question becomes, if you had to choose between being stuck in a cage without video games and being stuck in a cage with them, which would you choose? There are many things I don't like, but in most cases I would rather have them in the cage with me than not. In short, my view is that if you add another option at no cost, no matter how bad that option is, the situation is never worse for it being added.
Latty 11y ago
Why do you think the pigs want to be 'left alone'? Why would a pig not enjoy a game just because it's not 'natural surroundings'? If it's enough to entertain a person, why would a pig not be entertained? I'm not saying that pig and human ideas of enjoyment match up, but if they are not being punished for not doing it, I don't really see why it'd be harmful to them. If anything, it's stimulus and entertainment they'd otherwise not have - isn't that a good thing?
- vijayr 11y ago
  If it's enough to entertain a person, why would a pig not be entertained? The difference is that the human has the option of choosing to play the game or walk away. The only option available for pigs are roam around the small cage bored out of their minds or check this game out. If they don't like the game, good luck. Also, imagine how you would feel if there is a giant screen 3 feet from you flashing lights - and you don't want the screen to be there because those flashy lights are annoying to you. But you have no say in it.
  - leni536 11y ago
    > The only option available for pigs are roam around the small cage bored out of their minds or check this game out. Many places have the first option only.
- RIMR 11y ago
  >Why do you think the pigs want to be 'left alone'? Why do you think the pigs want to be constantly exposed to a flashing digital screen? >If it's enough to entertain a person, why would a pig not be entertained? Probably for the same reasons you don't find pigs watching television or reading books. Human entertainment was designed for humans. Do you really think that pigs are going to find this enjoyable compared to just living on a farm?

by vijayr 11y ago

david-given 11y ago

Why do you say 'forced'? They're not being punished for not interacting with the screen. In fact, looking at the pictures, they're not even being incentivised for interacting with the screen. There's nothing to stop them completely ignoring it and getting on with their own things; let them choose. The fact that they're interacting with it all seems to indicate they're getting some kind of value out of the game.

vijayr 11y ago
The fact that they're interacting with Is there a choice? They are stuck in a cage bored out of their minds. It is not like they were roaming free in the wild and found the giant screen and started playing with it. I've no interest in video games - but if I am stuck in a cage and the only option is to play video games, what am I going to do? Sooner or later I'll check it out, no?
- david-given 11y ago
  Sorry, I don't understand your last argument. There's a thing that you don't want to do, and you have a free choice whether to do it or not, but you're saying that you'd do it just because it's available? Surely that just means that you do want to do it, no? Likewise, the pigs have the same choice. If they don't like the game, they can, e.g. face in the other direction so they don't have to see it (like I do in pubs that play sport on TV). (In fact, I'd be interested to see if any pigs do this.) Besides, pigs are social animals, and there's plenty to do in that cage --- there are other pigs to interact with.
  - jpreiland 11y ago
    > but you're saying that you'd do it just because it's available? Surely that just means that you do want to do it, no? He's saying he'd do it if it's the only thing available
  - noondip 11y ago
    > they can, e.g. face in the other direction so they don't have to see it (like I do in pubs that play sport on TV) Some don't want to be in a pub at all.
- Lawtonfogle 11y ago
  I guess the question becomes, if you had to choose between being stuck in a cage without video games and being stuck in a cage with them, which would you choose? There are many things I don't like, but in most cases I would rather have them in the cage with me than not. In short, my view is that if you add another option at no cost, no matter how bad that option is, the situation is never worse for it being added.

Latty 11y ago

Why do you think the pigs want to be 'left alone'? Why would a pig not enjoy a game just because it's not 'natural surroundings'? If it's enough to entertain a person, why would a pig not be entertained? I'm not saying that pig and human ideas of enjoyment match up, but if they are not being punished for not doing it, I don't really see why it'd be harmful to them. If anything, it's stimulus and entertainment they'd otherwise not have - isn't that a good thing?

vijayr 11y ago
If it's enough to entertain a person, why would a pig not be entertained? The difference is that the human has the option of choosing to play the game or walk away. The only option available for pigs are roam around the small cage bored out of their minds or check this game out. If they don't like the game, good luck. Also, imagine how you would feel if there is a giant screen 3 feet from you flashing lights - and you don't want the screen to be there because those flashy lights are annoying to you. But you have no say in it.
- leni536 11y ago
  > The only option available for pigs are roam around the small cage bored out of their minds or check this game out. Many places have the first option only.
RIMR 11y ago
>Why do you think the pigs want to be 'left alone'? Why do you think the pigs want to be constantly exposed to a flashing digital screen? >If it's enough to entertain a person, why would a pig not be entertained? Probably for the same reasons you don't find pigs watching television or reading books. Human entertainment was designed for humans. Do you really think that pigs are going to find this enjoyable compared to just living on a farm?