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Maybe so, but you know every regular guy driving a regular car would rather have a Ferrari and might even spend time looking at them even though he can't buy on

Maybe so, but you know every regular guy driving a regular car would rather have a Ferrari and might even spend time looking at them even though he can't buy one.

kolev 11y ago
You're wrong. EV is a scam. I can afford to buy EV for most of my sites, but I don't do it. Because consumers don't really care. Even HN doesn't have an EV! Ferrari is what everybody wants, EV is a different story! And stop downvoting all my comments - it shows your subpar human material. Downvote my main point and stop right there. No need to go aggressive and try to silence me and not comment further, because you will "punish" me further as well.
- cpach 11y ago
  As per the guidelines, please keep discussions civil on HN and please don't complain about being downvoted. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - kolev 11y ago
    I am civil, but those who can't help the sick urge to downvote every single comment of mine although they all represent the same points are not civilized.
    - dang 11y ago
      No, cpach is right. You can't post comments like "it shows your subpar human material" to Hacker News. Personal attacks are not allowed here, regardless of whether someone downvoted unfairly. There's also the guideline specifically asking you not to go on about being downvoted. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - kolev 11y ago
        Most are just suggestions, not law. I stand by what I said. Being vindictive is not civilized. I didn't make personal attacks - I have no idea who downvoted me.
        dang 11y ago
        Personal attacks can be anonymous, so that's a red herring. And HN's guidelines may not be laws, but neither are they optional—we ban accounts that violate them repeatedly. It's not hard to see what kind of discourse we're going for here. What's hard is to stick to it when you're feeling that someone is subpar. On the internet, human biases yield a strong tendency to feel that way about others, and we all need to be disciplined about counteracting it. If you can't or won't take up the task, you're not welcome to comment here. That doesn't mean you have to abide by it perfectly. I can't, and doubt anyone can. It means that when we slip we need to recognize our error and correct it, not defensively dismiss the information.
        kolev 11y ago
        Then do the right thing and solve the problem by removing downvote on comments - you will do this community a huge favor and you will simplify the UX as well. It has no purpose outside of emotional buildups. Upvotes give you enough for sorting purposes - it's been working well for Facebook and Twitter. For everything else, there's reddit!
        dang 11y ago
        Downvotes are imperfect but HN would be worse without them. However, I don't think that has anything to do with your breaking the rule about incivility. Being downvoted, even being downvoted unfairly, is no excuse. Please only post civil comments from now on.
        kolev 11y ago
        I am sure that you cannot back with any credible evidence the assumption than downvoting comments makes HN a better place. You can add flagging and that will do better, but downvoting is unhealthy. The fixed -4 threshold is random and wrong as well. The loyalty to Paul Graham's original decisions is misunderstood loyalty and there are a lot of missed opportunities here, because of these repeated mistakes.
- rimantas 11y ago
  I really would not care if any of your sites had EV. And I don't care that HN does not have EV. But I may care whether the place I am going to spend money does have one.
  - kolev 11y ago
    You don't shop at Amazon.com? Because they don't believe in the EV scam either! More on the DV vs EV topic here: https://certsimple.com/blog/are-ev-ssl-certificates-worth-it https://certsimple.com/blog/are-ev-ssl-certificates-worth-it

Maybe so, but you know every regular guy driving a regular car would rather have a Ferrari and might even spend time looking at them even though he can't buy one.

kolev 11y ago

You're wrong. EV is a scam. I can afford to buy EV for most of my sites, but I don't do it. Because consumers don't really care. Even HN doesn't have an EV! Ferrari is what everybody wants, EV is a different story! And stop downvoting all my comments - it shows your subpar human material. Downvote my main point and stop right there. No need to go aggressive and try to silence me and not comment further, because you will "punish" me further as well.

cpach 11y ago
As per the guidelines, please keep discussions civil on HN and please don't complain about being downvoted. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- kolev 11y ago
  I am civil, but those who can't help the sick urge to downvote every single comment of mine although they all represent the same points are not civilized.
  - dang 11y ago
    No, cpach is right. You can't post comments like "it shows your subpar human material" to Hacker News. Personal attacks are not allowed here, regardless of whether someone downvoted unfairly. There's also the guideline specifically asking you not to go on about being downvoted. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - kolev 11y ago
      Most are just suggestions, not law. I stand by what I said. Being vindictive is not civilized. I didn't make personal attacks - I have no idea who downvoted me.
      - dang 11y ago
        Personal attacks can be anonymous, so that's a red herring. And HN's guidelines may not be laws, but neither are they optional—we ban accounts that violate them repeatedly. It's not hard to see what kind of discourse we're going for here. What's hard is to stick to it when you're feeling that someone is subpar. On the internet, human biases yield a strong tendency to feel that way about others, and we all need to be disciplined about counteracting it. If you can't or won't take up the task, you're not welcome to comment here. That doesn't mean you have to abide by it perfectly. I can't, and doubt anyone can. It means that when we slip we need to recognize our error and correct it, not defensively dismiss the information.
        kolev 11y ago
        Then do the right thing and solve the problem by removing downvote on comments - you will do this community a huge favor and you will simplify the UX as well. It has no purpose outside of emotional buildups. Upvotes give you enough for sorting purposes - it's been working well for Facebook and Twitter. For everything else, there's reddit!
        dang 11y ago
        Downvotes are imperfect but HN would be worse without them. However, I don't think that has anything to do with your breaking the rule about incivility. Being downvoted, even being downvoted unfairly, is no excuse. Please only post civil comments from now on.
        kolev 11y ago
        I am sure that you cannot back with any credible evidence the assumption than downvoting comments makes HN a better place. You can add flagging and that will do better, but downvoting is unhealthy. The fixed -4 threshold is random and wrong as well. The loyalty to Paul Graham's original decisions is misunderstood loyalty and there are a lot of missed opportunities here, because of these repeated mistakes.
rimantas 11y ago
I really would not care if any of your sites had EV. And I don't care that HN does not have EV. But I may care whether the place I am going to spend money does have one.
- kolev 11y ago
  You don't shop at Amazon.com? Because they don't believe in the EV scam either! More on the DV vs EV topic here: https://certsimple.com/blog/are-ev-ssl-certificates-worth-it https://certsimple.com/blog/are-ev-ssl-certificates-worth-it