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Not that I need everything perfect, but these are my concerns: - The corporations building these things are hyper-corporations, many in the defense industry. C
by a3n 11y ago
Not that I need everything perfect, but these are my concerns:
- The corporations building these things are hyper-corporations, many in the defense industry. Corporations, especially at that scale, are at best amoral. To meet environmental, safety, disposal and cost concerns, they will go part way, but when they hit the knees of the various curves, they will convince Congress and citizens through advertising, co-opted scientists, and bribed members of Congress that everything is great and it's been taken care of.
- Waste. After however many decades, where is all the nuclear waste? Are we finally implementing the long range plans, to take care of wast and make future generations safe? At least out hundreds of years I would expect. I think the answer here is effectively no. I think we're still just studying it, and all involved are hoping someone else will deal with it later. There will never be enough Senators to vote for specific locations in their states, and transportation through their states. "On site" will magically be found to be perfectly fine after all. And it will end up being Hanford and Rocky Flats, with leaks into the water table, and shit stored next to shit that shouldn't be.
- Safety. What happens when we finally experience a catastrophe, because the corporations and governments kicked the safety can down the road so that these things could be built? It's going to happen, they're corporations and they must above all make a buck. What hyper-corporation could resist turning uranium into gold?
- Environmental. These things need to be cooled. They're next to rivers and oceans because of that. Ecosystems dwindle and die, because downstream temperatures will always be "within acceptable levels" that were set by agencies suffering from regulatory capture that are funded by bribed Congressmen. No one wants to be the single point of failure on the money pipeline.
- Cost. Balloon. Corporations make money no matter what. Even if a corporation is fined in proportion to its overrun, even if they refuse to pay and people are jailed (ha!), that money is still lost.
The only thing above that I'm inclined to give on is safety, it's probably an engineering possibility. But that's mere technical possibility, in the face of amoral corporations with a drive for profits stronger than the human drive for reproduction.
Color me sceptical.
- brc 11y ago"Corporations, especially at that scale, are at best amoral." sorry, but this is just wrong. Lots of people posting and reading this work for corporations. Do bad actors exist? Sure. Are all corporations at scale amoral? You make them sound like machines programmed by megalomaniacs, not places created by, worked at and invested in by ordinary people. Every 'corporation' I have ever worked at has been filled with people trying to do a good job under whatever circumstances they find themselves in. Brushing off the majority of good that large companies do as an argument is not correct.
- a3n 11y ago> "Corporations, especially at that scale, are at best amoral." sorry, but this is just wrong. Ahem. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/19/business/volkswagen-is-ordered-to-recall-nearly-500000-vehicles-over-emissions-software.html http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/19/business/volkswagen-is-ord... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10240001 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10240001 At best, corporations are amoral.
- a3n 11y agoI work for a corporation too. Lots of good people there. I'm good people. I'm talking about hyper-corporations and billion dollar contracts. That many people, chasing that much money ... no one who's gotten to the point that they could with authority say "Nah, we shouldn't do this, it's wrong," ever would say that. No one at that level of accomplishment and tenure has it in them to say "Oh, and are the fish in that river really safe?"