which is what you need to even begin the discussion on a new standard. I only consider it whining if you point out the flaws, then don't do something about the

which is what you need to even begin the discussion on a new standard. I only consider it whining if you point out the flaws, then don't do something about the flaws using the process for correcting them. To even begin discussion? The discussion begins with pointing out the flaws. One person writes an article pointing out some flaws in a technology, then people comment saying how X is actually not a flaw, and how Y is also quite a major flaw. After that you start focusing on brainstorming ideas that address these flaws. Then you refine those ideas and come up with some specification or prototype implementation (followed by a specification based on it). All this has to happen before what you claim to be the beginning of the discussion. You can do all of these things in private, maybe consulting a couple friends and colleagues, but you don't have to. You can also do it completely out in the open, on a public forum. In doing so you increase the noise, but you also increase the signal. Do you consider this process whining?