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Stripe: Relay
- sharoonthomas 11y agoDoes not seem like this works off the box. One of our customers tweeted with a stipe buyable product link [1] (from stripe relay) and the buy buttons are not there on twitter. Support from stripe on this has not been great either with one of their support staff confirming and the other asking us to write to twitter about it. Has anyone else had success with buyable tweets and stripe relay ? [1] https://twitter.com/lienielsen/status/646708462043402240 https://twitter.com/lienielsen/status/646708462043402240
- callmeed 11y agoThis is pretty cool (I'm working on an ecommerce app now). What I'm not clear on is this: Can apps selling relay products get a cut of the sale? What incentive is there for a "product discovery app" (or whatever) to sell other products? Can they define some sort of fee %? UPDATE: Chatted with Stripe on IRC and they clarified that there's currently no way to share sales revenue or let apps define a % commission.
- enos_feedler 11y agoI was looking for this in the API but couldn't find it.
- spolu 11y ago(Stripe Engineer working on Relay here) Indeed there is no way to do so at the moment. But we have that on our radar and we'd like to construct something that makes sense for apps and sellers. Some questions related to that: How would you see it working? Isn't ads the new affiliation in the app world?
- matthewarkin 11y agoIts pretty common for Stripe Connect integrations to charge an application fee. With Relay, Stripe would allow some apps that use connect to "move" their products database from their own database to Stripe. Also it allows merchants to sell on more platforms. It just becomes "You can use Relay and Stripe to sell on our platform, however we'll take a 1% transaction fee"
- spolu 11y agoSo this confirms the approach that we have in mind: the ability to setup a fee at order creation as it is the case in Connect (per charge there). Very :+1: on this.
- spolu 11y agoFollowing in up on this we just rolled out `application_fee` on the Order Pay endpoint (https://stripe.com/docs/api#pay_order https://stripe.com/docs/api#pay_order). It'll behave as expected if you're familiar with the connect `application_fee`. Thanks for the feedback and hope you'll make good use of it. Let us know how we can help with anything help!
- callmeed 11y agoYeah, basically what matthewarkin said. You could theoretically do it either way: (a) an app could say "Sell your product with us and we'll take 2%" or a seller can say (b) "I'm willing to give 1% of GMV to apps who list our products"
- spolu 11y agoFollowing in up on this we just rolled out `application_fee` on the Order Pay endpoint (https://stripe.com/docs/api#pay_order https://stripe.com/docs/api#pay_order). It'll behave as expected if you're familiar with the connect `application_fee`.
- psadri 11y agoI believe Two Tap can work with existing affiliate links.
- tomasien 11y agoThe amazing thing about this to me is realizing how massively undervalued Stripe is if things like Relay are actually successful. The networks effects created by Relay would be massive.
- pbreit 11y ago"Massively undervalued" at $5b? Stuff like this generally doesn't work because shoppers are less comfortable this far out of context. But I would never bet against Stripe.
- tomasien 11y agoHard for me to imagine Stripe at anything short of a $20-$30b company, so yeah $5b seems super cheap. To me though, I'm bullish on them though I understand that.
- agency 11y agoSomewhat unfortunately name conflict with https://facebook.github.io/relay/ https://facebook.github.io/relay/
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- elsurudo 11y agoMeh, there are only so many words. The two things are in quite different segments, so it should be fine.
- sehr 11y agoFunnily enough, a new blogpost about Facebook's Relay was just posted. It's about 3 submissions below this one!
- arasmussen 11y agoAt first glance I thought this was going to be a blog post about Stripe using Facebook's Relay internally...
- BinaryIdiot 11y agoBlog post: https://stripe.com/blog/relay https://stripe.com/blog/relay This is interesting. How does this work with Apple not allowing purchases unless they go through them? Edit: deleted the part where I confused square for stripe. My bad =/
- gtCameron 11y agoStripe and Twitter do not have the same CEO, you are thinking of Square.
- BinaryIdiot 11y agoYou're right. I'm an idiot. Ugh
- uptown 11y agoYour username was a sufficient disclaimer.
- seiji 11y agoActually: twitter, square, and pied piper all have the same CEO.
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- jonknee 11y agoApple doesn't allow purchases of digital products that don't go through the In App Purchase system and its 30% tax. Physical goods are just fine (hence the Amazon app where you can buy a book, but not a Kindle book).
- BinaryIdiot 11y agoOh yeah you're right. But what if someone adds in a digital item into this mix? I wonder how that would work.
- function_seven 11y agotomasien: For some reason your comment is being marked as a [dupe], even though it's the only one of yours in this thread. There's another deleted thread[1]. What's going on here? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10216136 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10216136
- tomasien 11y agoI started a thread on this the same time this thread started. When I saw this one rising to the top I deleted it - I thought duplicate submissions were supposed to get merged in automatically and counted as upvotes instead of separate threads but I guess that didn't happen. I copied my comment from there to here.
- spolu 11y agoFeel free to repost your comment here!
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- efuquen 11y agoWe've been looking at a few other players to do exactly this, i.e. TwoTaps (https://twotap.com/ https://twotap.com/) and Cosmic Cart (https://cosmiccart.com/ https://cosmiccart.com/). The big problem we've seen is: 1) Having pricing and inventory data keep up to date. 2) Reliability and speed, TwoTaps has robots that fill in an order on retailers sites and checkout is slow as a result. Aside from the ugliness of it, I'm sure a lot of retailers don't like this process or necessarily are approving it. 3) Lack of wide number of retailers. Cosmic Cart does direct integration but the the numbers of partners they have right now is severely limited, Target being the big one. Getting these direct partnerships integrations is hard, but to make this really compelling you really want a wide range of retailers. It will be interesting to see if Stripe, with the relationships it already has, will be able to do a better job of this and getting retailers to buy into losing the control of the full shopping experience.
- jodah 11y agoAgree that the challenge is in obtaining partnerships, but not every retailer needs full control of the shopping experience, especially on mobile. And that's the win - alleviating the need for every retailer to solve the same technical problem.
- jusben1369 11y agoThe challenge for the developer is twofold; 1) Understanding the real time availability of the inventory at the retail partner and 2) Supporting the payment provider of the retailer. In the desktop world this was solved by a straight up affiliate redirect. You arrived at the retailer page and saw your product in a shopping cart or close to it. Of course if inventory was poorly synced you occasionally got an error. This is still pretty common with things like airline metasearch services where the cheap ticket can be gone. Either way inventory was managed. Then you entered your payment method on the retailer site and it was processed by their backend processor. In the mobile world with mobile optimized apps those redirects don't work. So app developers want to make the payment experience feel like it's happening "within the app" Twitter, Facebook, Pinterest and others all then had to solve for the inventory + payments challenge. Defaulting to Stripe can be problematic if the retailer already has a different payment processor relationship in place. By solving for the inventory piece I suspect Stripe is hoping to help drive momentum around overcoming the processor objections. Full disclosure I work at Spreedly where we help solve for the payment dilemma (not inventory) by allowing developers to work with a wide range of payment processors and/or affiliate API's.
- noahr 11y agoWhat's the difference between Relay and the Enterprise version of Shopify?
- spolu 11y ago(Hi Stripe Engineer here) Relay is a way for merchants to route products to channels. We certainly don't want to replace Shopify (with whom we're pretty close) but just give merchants an easy way to expose product information to apps and accepts orders directly from there. In particular, Relay will not provide you with store front, or complex shipping and taxes calculations and integrations. Ideally Relay should work seamlessly with Shopify, and Shopify users should be able to start selling on Twitter and other apps directly from Shopify through Relay without even necessarily hearing the name Relay (as it is ~the case with their payments currently processed by us)
- monkeymeister 11y agoWe've actually just finished a Shopify to Stripe integrator - check it out: https://www.shoptorelay.com https://www.shoptorelay.com - we're listening to feedback to at support@shoptorelay.com
- dublinben 11y agoThe animations on this page were not well tested. They run at about 0.5 fps in Firefox, but are completely smooth in Chrome.
- interdrift 11y agoFirefox here. Awful lag.
- spolu 11y ago(Stripe engineer here) Running firefox as well and indeed they run a bit slow. Mea culpa. I'll let the right person know!
- DiabloD3 11y agoChrome on my MBPr is also dying in a fire here. Chrome on OSX is known for extremely shitty performance because it usually (always?) switches acceleration off. If chrome://gpu/ says hardware rasterization is disabled, set chrome://flags/#enable-gpu-rasterization to enabled. Chrome on Windows also will disable acceleration by default if it detects both an Intel and either AMD or Nvidia chipset enabled at the same time, thinking its a hybrid solution (even when it's obviously not, such as an extremely common desktop i5/i7 + high end GPU setup).
- acjohnson55 11y agoExperienced the same thing. Nearly had to kill my browser to unfreeze it, but fortunately I eventually got a Cmd+[ in there to get out.
- steeve 11y agosuper slow here in chrome :(
- nathancahill 11y agoAs another data point, FF Dev Edition averages 52fps. FF 40 is much worse at 40fps.
- callumprentice 11y agoForgive my stupidity but can someone explain why this is so neat? I see examples that appear to be a links from a Tweet to a product buying page. Is that what's new? I'm obviously missing something or maybe just not clever enough to get it... Thanks in advance.
- awfycooper 11y agoIf you view this tweet: https://twitter.com/WarbyParker/status/643472513297682432 https://twitter.com/WarbyParker/status/643472513297682432 You should see a buy button within the tweet itself allowing you to buy the product directly from the tweet.
- callumprentice 11y agoAh - thank you. I'm so used to viewing Tweets in an App which doesn't support that feature yet so I was just redirected to a Web page. Many thanks for taking the time to answer.
- williwu 11y agoWe've made an mobile shop on iOS with integration to Shopify. We are planning to open source it once we release our own shop. Let me know if anyone is interested in trying it out.