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>Also, I thought the consensus was that Apple was 'backdooring' iMessage by giving LE access to iCloud backups which include iMessage, not compromising iMessage

>Also, I thought the consensus was that Apple was 'backdooring' iMessage by giving LE access to iCloud backups which include iMessage, not compromising iMessage directly? Consensus? First I've heard of this being a consensus. I've heard people say if Apple is backdooring, this is the way they'd do it, but no consensus on this actually happening. Care to go into this a bit more?

dantiberian 11y ago
Consensus may have been the wrong word to use, but I've heard the same as you, that backups are a weak point in iMessage security, and a very plausible way for LE to get access.
- BBlarat 11y ago
  is it required to have an iCloud backup when using iOS? Or is it something that can be opted out of? I'm just curious.
  - dantiberian 11y ago
    You can opt out, but I think it will be the default.
  - deleted 11y ago
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  - hutattedonmyarm 11y ago
    Not required. You can choose between iCloud backup, iTunes backup (even encrypt if you want) and no backup at all. iCloud is the most convenient though
  - smackfu 11y ago
    Just have more than 5 GB of data and you can't backup to iCloud without paying monthly.
    - hutattedonmyarm 11y ago
      Photos are not included, Apps aren't (only their data), I'm not sure about music. It's gonna be hard to exceed the 5GB this way
      - smackfu 11y ago
        Photos may be included. "Here’s what iCloud backs up: Photos and videos on your iOS devices, unless you turn on iCloud Photo Library on your iOS device (iOS 8.1 or later)." https://support.apple.com/kb/PH12519?locale=en_US https://support.apple.com/kb/PH12519?locale=en_US The photos hit the same 5 GB limit, so it's not like excluding or including them really changes anything. Photos are the #1 reason people hit the backup limit.
        hutattedonmyarm 11y ago
        Thanks, didn't know that (I use iCloud Photo Library), but IIRC you can disable stuff from backing up, even photos
      - knd775 11y ago
        I currently use 18 GB with only a single iPhone. 14.6 GB of this is my iCloud Photo Library.

dantiberian 11y ago

Consensus may have been the wrong word to use, but I've heard the same as you, that backups are a weak point in iMessage security, and a very plausible way for LE to get access.

BBlarat 11y ago
is it required to have an iCloud backup when using iOS? Or is it something that can be opted out of? I'm just curious.
- dantiberian 11y ago
  You can opt out, but I think it will be the default.
- deleted 11y ago
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- hutattedonmyarm 11y ago
  Not required. You can choose between iCloud backup, iTunes backup (even encrypt if you want) and no backup at all. iCloud is the most convenient though
- smackfu 11y ago
  Just have more than 5 GB of data and you can't backup to iCloud without paying monthly.
  - hutattedonmyarm 11y ago
    Photos are not included, Apps aren't (only their data), I'm not sure about music. It's gonna be hard to exceed the 5GB this way
    - smackfu 11y ago
      Photos may be included. "Here’s what iCloud backs up: Photos and videos on your iOS devices, unless you turn on iCloud Photo Library on your iOS device (iOS 8.1 or later)." https://support.apple.com/kb/PH12519?locale=en_US https://support.apple.com/kb/PH12519?locale=en_US The photos hit the same 5 GB limit, so it's not like excluding or including them really changes anything. Photos are the #1 reason people hit the backup limit.
      - hutattedonmyarm 11y ago
        Thanks, didn't know that (I use iCloud Photo Library), but IIRC you can disable stuff from backing up, even photos
    - knd775 11y ago
      I currently use 18 GB with only a single iPhone. 14.6 GB of this is my iCloud Photo Library.