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Meditation is as secular as informally promoting Apple Macbooks. There's plenty of science to back up the advantages of meditation, which you are free to Google

Meditation is as secular as informally promoting Apple Macbooks. There's plenty of science to back up the advantages of meditation, which you are free to Google. It is no longer religious hokum.

tikhonj 11y ago
And starting a professional gathering with a structured discussion of the benefits of Apple Macbooks also "borders on religious proselytizing". "Have you let Steve Jobs into your life?" The point is that the suggestion comes on too strong, with an analogy to religion, not that meditation and religion are inextricably connected.
mbrock 11y ago
Well, I'm confident you could find science that demonstrates positive physiological effects of prayer, too. Sitting quietly and relaxing or focusing the mind is nice, which is why I do sitting meditation frequently. I just don't want to do it in an unrelated group setting, along with a dharma talk that I can almost guarantee ventures into some kind of metaphysical or spiritual territory. Probably the "Hoffice" thing just isn't my cup of tea. The suggested break activities also include giving each other massages, doing "goofy" workouts, and some eye contact exercise that seems kind of creepy.
- lectrick 11y ago
  > Well, I'm confident you could find science that demonstrates positive physiological effects of prayer, too. No. No, you cannot. At least, I've never heard of any. Stop begging the question. > The suggested break activities also include giving each other massages, doing "goofy" workouts, and some eye contact exercise that seems kind of creepy. I would agree that those are a little weird.
DanBC 11y ago
Meditation isn't religious hokum. The way meditation is delivered means it's frequently accompanied with religious hokum. That's a shame. Many people would benefit from meditation but are put off by the considerable amounts of woo that go with it.

Meditation is as secular as informally promoting Apple Macbooks. There's plenty of science to back up the advantages of meditation, which you are free to Google. It is no longer religious hokum.

tikhonj 11y ago

And starting a professional gathering with a structured discussion of the benefits of Apple Macbooks also "borders on religious proselytizing". "Have you let Steve Jobs into your life?" The point is that the suggestion comes on too strong, with an analogy to religion, not that meditation and religion are inextricably connected.

mbrock 11y ago

Well, I'm confident you could find science that demonstrates positive physiological effects of prayer, too. Sitting quietly and relaxing or focusing the mind is nice, which is why I do sitting meditation frequently. I just don't want to do it in an unrelated group setting, along with a dharma talk that I can almost guarantee ventures into some kind of metaphysical or spiritual territory. Probably the "Hoffice" thing just isn't my cup of tea. The suggested break activities also include giving each other massages, doing "goofy" workouts, and some eye contact exercise that seems kind of creepy.

lectrick 11y ago
> Well, I'm confident you could find science that demonstrates positive physiological effects of prayer, too. No. No, you cannot. At least, I've never heard of any. Stop begging the question. > The suggested break activities also include giving each other massages, doing "goofy" workouts, and some eye contact exercise that seems kind of creepy. I would agree that those are a little weird.

DanBC 11y ago

Meditation isn't religious hokum. The way meditation is delivered means it's frequently accompanied with religious hokum. That's a shame. Many people would benefit from meditation but are put off by the considerable amounts of woo that go with it.