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1) How do you know that all body freezing failures are pretty well documented? If they do not test recovery then they register only the most obvious failures.

1) How do you know that all body freezing failures are pretty well documented? If they do not test recovery then they register only the most obvious failures. 2) "in the hopes that someday in the future someone will know" They promote and claim that revival will be possible in the future. Without any proof. So it is a confidence game. Hence "scam". There is a good chance that successful freezing and revival would be possible in the future. But it is very unlikely that revival of dead bodies that Alcor is freezing today would ever be possible. > most of the people involved in this are people who really believe in the mission You can say the same about any established religion. > They're not lying, not misleading people, Sorry, internal belief is not a guarantee that the statements are true and not misleading.

deciplex 11y ago
You seem to be suggesting that cryonics will remain a scam until such time that vitrified brains can be recovered. But, by that time cryonics would likely be unnecessary. Is there a use case for cryonics at all?
- dennisgorelik 11y ago
  If somebody wants to travel to the future - cryonics could be helpful (assuming it actually works). It also may make sense to use cryonics for future cure of deceases, assuming that cryonics work. But now we should assume that cryonics does NOT work, and everyone who claims (or hints) otherwise without testing is a scammer.
edanm 11y ago
"They promote and claim that revival will be possible in the future. Without any proof. So it is a confidence game. Hence "scam"." Again, if you're talking about some group like Alcor, they say it may be possible in the future. I'd love it if you could provide some kind of evidence that they're not presenting the truth or trying to dupe people. Especially considering that so few people have actually signed up, so I'm guessing most people who sign up do it after a lot of research.
- dennisgorelik 11y ago
  If they charge money for their services, it is them who have to prove that their services work. By default you should assume that stuff does NOT work. If only few people actually sign up, that is a telling sign that most of people cannot find any proof that advertised service works.

deciplex 11y ago

You seem to be suggesting that cryonics will remain a scam until such time that vitrified brains can be recovered. But, by that time cryonics would likely be unnecessary. Is there a use case for cryonics at all?

dennisgorelik 11y ago
If somebody wants to travel to the future - cryonics could be helpful (assuming it actually works). It also may make sense to use cryonics for future cure of deceases, assuming that cryonics work. But now we should assume that cryonics does NOT work, and everyone who claims (or hints) otherwise without testing is a scammer.

edanm 11y ago

"They promote and claim that revival will be possible in the future. Without any proof. So it is a confidence game. Hence "scam"." Again, if you're talking about some group like Alcor, they say it may be possible in the future. I'd love it if you could provide some kind of evidence that they're not presenting the truth or trying to dupe people. Especially considering that so few people have actually signed up, so I'm guessing most people who sign up do it after a lot of research.

dennisgorelik 11y ago
If they charge money for their services, it is them who have to prove that their services work. By default you should assume that stuff does NOT work. If only few people actually sign up, that is a telling sign that most of people cannot find any proof that advertised service works.