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> I'm another person who hates running but do it moderately as it's a very efficient form of exercise Interesting point of view! Many people run despite the ha

> I'm another person who hates running but do it moderately as it's a very efficient form of exercise Interesting point of view! Many people run despite the harm it may cause (esp. to their knees and back) because they love to run. But if you remove enjoyment out of the equation, I assume there are other forms of exercises that are safer and as "efficient" as running.

fsiefken 11y ago
That's precisely why I took up swimming to work monofinning recently. Cycling and nordic walking is also better for the joints.
fsiefken 11y ago
That's precisely why I took up swimming to work monofinning recently. Cycling and nordic walking is also better for the joints.
dorfsmay 11y ago
Everything about running is efficient: - you can't cheat and ignore it, you run or you walk (you can coast while biking, you can swim slowly, etc...) - you can open your door and star running. Mist other sports, you need to go somewhere before you start doing the sport (swimming pool, mountain, dojo, etc...) - no other sport I have done build cardio in a few weeks like running does. Keep in mind that I don't try to promote running, I literally hate it, I just enjoy the results given the low time investment.
- randxx 11y ago
  I wonder how much longer you'll have to run before you stop repeating your "I hate running" mantra.
- douche 11y ago
  Running isn't terribly efficient. I can walk at the same rate that most people jog, and I use half as much energy.
  - kbenson 11y ago
    The assertion is that it's an efficient exercise, not an efficient form of movement. It's actually an efficient exercise because it's less efficient in terms of movement than alternatives (which were listed).
    - douche 11y ago
      It's boring, painful, and promotes over-use injuries. Most people don't wear proper shoes, or run with proper form, putting extra stress on their joints or striking on their heels. Endurance running isn't great training for anything besides endurance running - any sort of sport-based activity includes lots of short sprints, lateral changes in direction, back-pedaling, jumping, not extended straight-line, moderate-pace running. If pure cardio is what you want, jumping rope is more efficient.
      - dorfsmay 11y ago
        I think jumping rope is even more boring than running + you can cheat by slowing down. I have seriously looked into "running properly" and have tried to run barefoot a lot (which forces you to not heel-strike etc...) but I'm in a cold climate and it physically impossible ot run barefoot in the winter, and I never managed to get used to pebbles! I keep my distance to about ~ 21 km / week max (typically less), which I am thinking is low enough not to do too much damage. All other form of sports you are talking about require me to go somewhere, etc... which burns a lot of time. I enjoy other sports (hiking, swimming, skiing to certain extent, used to sail and do martial arts, ice skating) when I can, but not as regularly, and I'll argue not enough, because of time constraint.
        joshrotenberg 11y ago
        There are at least a few great shoes out there that will let you run with (more) proper form and still give you some protection from the cold and rocks. Have you given any of them a try? Admittedly, you'll never have as good form in a shoe, but you can get close.
- dghughes 11y ago
  Actually there is a third option the Young Shuffle.
- WalterBright 11y ago
  I started running regularly about 30 years ago. I hated it for about 5 years, and then began to enjoy it. Now, I look forward to it, enjoy it, and miss it when for some reason I can't. It's not time wasted, either, because I work on my most difficult programming problems while running.
terapinterapin 11y ago
I have found that switching to the "POSE" running regime has eliminated running injuries - not had a running injury in over 10 years, so with good form, running can be safe. Before switching, I had 20+ years of intermittent injuries. For normal people I can only think of skipping with weighted handles that would go beyond running.
brianwawok 11y ago
> Many people run despite the harm it may cause (esp. to their knees and back) There has never been a study to my knowledge that running hurts your knees or back. Any study I have seen shows that it helps your knees, but it may suffer from some selection bias. Remember, just because "common wisdom" says something does not make it true. This is one of those cases.
drhodes 11y ago
Here's an article that cites two studies that show runners suffer from fewer knee issues. > The other U.S. study was from 2013 and involved more than 74,000. The runners reported a lower rate of knee arthritis and a lower risk of needing knee replacement surgery. http://www.solfoot.com/blog/how-to-protect-your-knees-health-running.cfm http://www.solfoot.com/blog/how-to-protect-your-knees-health...

fsiefken 11y ago

That's precisely why I took up swimming to work monofinning recently. Cycling and nordic walking is also better for the joints.

fsiefken 11y ago

That's precisely why I took up swimming to work monofinning recently. Cycling and nordic walking is also better for the joints.

dorfsmay 11y ago

Everything about running is efficient: - you can't cheat and ignore it, you run or you walk (you can coast while biking, you can swim slowly, etc...) - you can open your door and star running. Mist other sports, you need to go somewhere before you start doing the sport (swimming pool, mountain, dojo, etc...) - no other sport I have done build cardio in a few weeks like running does. Keep in mind that I don't try to promote running, I literally hate it, I just enjoy the results given the low time investment.

randxx 11y ago
I wonder how much longer you'll have to run before you stop repeating your "I hate running" mantra.
douche 11y ago
Running isn't terribly efficient. I can walk at the same rate that most people jog, and I use half as much energy.
- kbenson 11y ago
  The assertion is that it's an efficient exercise, not an efficient form of movement. It's actually an efficient exercise because it's less efficient in terms of movement than alternatives (which were listed).
  - douche 11y ago
    It's boring, painful, and promotes over-use injuries. Most people don't wear proper shoes, or run with proper form, putting extra stress on their joints or striking on their heels. Endurance running isn't great training for anything besides endurance running - any sort of sport-based activity includes lots of short sprints, lateral changes in direction, back-pedaling, jumping, not extended straight-line, moderate-pace running. If pure cardio is what you want, jumping rope is more efficient.
    - dorfsmay 11y ago
      I think jumping rope is even more boring than running + you can cheat by slowing down. I have seriously looked into "running properly" and have tried to run barefoot a lot (which forces you to not heel-strike etc...) but I'm in a cold climate and it physically impossible ot run barefoot in the winter, and I never managed to get used to pebbles! I keep my distance to about ~ 21 km / week max (typically less), which I am thinking is low enough not to do too much damage. All other form of sports you are talking about require me to go somewhere, etc... which burns a lot of time. I enjoy other sports (hiking, swimming, skiing to certain extent, used to sail and do martial arts, ice skating) when I can, but not as regularly, and I'll argue not enough, because of time constraint.
      - joshrotenberg 11y ago
        There are at least a few great shoes out there that will let you run with (more) proper form and still give you some protection from the cold and rocks. Have you given any of them a try? Admittedly, you'll never have as good form in a shoe, but you can get close.
dghughes 11y ago
Actually there is a third option the Young Shuffle.
WalterBright 11y ago
I started running regularly about 30 years ago. I hated it for about 5 years, and then began to enjoy it. Now, I look forward to it, enjoy it, and miss it when for some reason I can't. It's not time wasted, either, because I work on my most difficult programming problems while running.

terapinterapin 11y ago

I have found that switching to the "POSE" running regime has eliminated running injuries - not had a running injury in over 10 years, so with good form, running can be safe. Before switching, I had 20+ years of intermittent injuries. For normal people I can only think of skipping with weighted handles that would go beyond running.

brianwawok 11y ago

> Many people run despite the harm it may cause (esp. to their knees and back) There has never been a study to my knowledge that running hurts your knees or back. Any study I have seen shows that it helps your knees, but it may suffer from some selection bias. Remember, just because "common wisdom" says something does not make it true. This is one of those cases.

drhodes 11y ago

Here's an article that cites two studies that show runners suffer from fewer knee issues. > The other U.S. study was from 2013 and involved more than 74,000. The runners reported a lower rate of knee arthritis and a lower risk of needing knee replacement surgery. http://www.solfoot.com/blog/how-to-protect-your-knees-health-running.cfm http://www.solfoot.com/blog/how-to-protect-your-knees-health...