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This startup culture of "begging forgiveness rather than asking permission" has really got to stop -- if only because it's impolite. Edit: I also worry about w

This startup culture of "begging forgiveness rather than asking permission" has really got to stop -- if only because it's impolite. Edit: I also worry about where the line actually is when there is no line. What if a startup takes advantage of children? Is that crossing the line? I mean, when paying fines is part of your business model, everything short of whatever might send you to jail is fair game, isn't it? That makes me uncomfortable.

ejcx 11y ago
Why? If Uber and lyft did this from the beginning, they would have never lasted a week. "Turns out we can't operate like a Taxi". "Turns out we are actually supposed to be treating the drivers as employees". "Turns out we are supposed to be vetting these drivers more extensively". If uber and lyft asked permission they simply wouldn't exist.
- raverbashing 11y ago
  Correct Still, you want to limit your liability. Not following FCC rules seems a stupid and pointless transgression
  - geobmx540 11y ago
    Seems like an oversight
  - HiYaBarbie 11y ago
    > Not following FCC rules seems a stupid and pointless transgression Perhaps unless the FCC rules themselves are pointless? The reason why Uber and Lyft are given a hard time is that they're a serious threat to state-maintained taxi-cartels all over the world.
    - gnopgnip 11y ago
      Or they just forgot to include the opt out options.
    - myhf 11y ago
      Perhaps the Pure Food and Drug Act is pointless, too.
      - HiYaBarbie 11y ago
        Perhaps the safety-related government agencies aren't really doing their purported job?
    - DanBC 11y ago
      > The reason why Uber and Lyft are given a hard time is that they're a serious threat to state-maintained taxi-cartels all over the world. No, they're given a hard time because they ignore regulation like driver background checks or insurance or calibrated tamper proof meters.
      - HiYaBarbie 11y ago
        > No, they're given a hard time because they ignore regulation like driver background checks or insurance or calibrated tamper proof meters. "Ignoring regulations" in this context basically boils down to "competing with taxi cartels". That's obviously upsetting to the cartels, and unhappy noises are made about background checks and meters, as if those potential problems could only be solved with a cartel. We both know that Uber & Lyft drivers give better service overall than taxi drivers overall. That's because Uber and Lyft are not part of a cartel, and have to therefore please their customers lest they lose them.
- yifanlu 11y ago
  And why should they last for more than a week if they break rules? Sure, you can argue that the rules are pointless but it would be arrogant for you and I to decide which rules we want to follow and which ones we can ignore. Maybe treating drivers as employees and vetting them would cost more but benefit both parties more. Maybe not. But not doing either definitely benefits the company. And maybe certain rules exist to protect us from companies; even if we don't know it because we haven't lived without such protection.
  - bryanbuckley 11y ago
    It's probably healthy for a system's rules to occasionally be tested. The important rules are probably more efficiently/effectively enforced than the others.
current_call 11y ago
You mean startups, a type of company that exists to rapidly grow in a niche unregulated industry, should wait for the government to regulate their new business before it ever exists? I could be wrong, but I like to think politicians have better things to do than make laws about things that don't exist. Edit: This is relevant. He envisioned his storefront as a beachhead for Bitcoin in the heart of the Financial District, but it has been losing money as he waits for government agencies, such as New York’s Department of Financial Services, to decide how to regulate virtual currencies. “Oh please Mr. Government man, please let me run a business so I can feed my children myself, so y’know, I don’t have to go on food stamps to leech off of the people who already have your approval to eat.” http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/08/bitcoin-is-unfair-thats-the-point-and-so-it-shall-remain/ http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/08/bitcoin-is-unfair-thats-...

ejcx 11y ago

Why? If Uber and lyft did this from the beginning, they would have never lasted a week. "Turns out we can't operate like a Taxi". "Turns out we are actually supposed to be treating the drivers as employees". "Turns out we are supposed to be vetting these drivers more extensively". If uber and lyft asked permission they simply wouldn't exist.

raverbashing 11y ago
Correct Still, you want to limit your liability. Not following FCC rules seems a stupid and pointless transgression
- geobmx540 11y ago
  Seems like an oversight
- HiYaBarbie 11y ago
  > Not following FCC rules seems a stupid and pointless transgression Perhaps unless the FCC rules themselves are pointless? The reason why Uber and Lyft are given a hard time is that they're a serious threat to state-maintained taxi-cartels all over the world.
  - gnopgnip 11y ago
    Or they just forgot to include the opt out options.
  - myhf 11y ago
    Perhaps the Pure Food and Drug Act is pointless, too.
    - HiYaBarbie 11y ago
      Perhaps the safety-related government agencies aren't really doing their purported job?
  - DanBC 11y ago
    > The reason why Uber and Lyft are given a hard time is that they're a serious threat to state-maintained taxi-cartels all over the world. No, they're given a hard time because they ignore regulation like driver background checks or insurance or calibrated tamper proof meters.
    - HiYaBarbie 11y ago
      > No, they're given a hard time because they ignore regulation like driver background checks or insurance or calibrated tamper proof meters. "Ignoring regulations" in this context basically boils down to "competing with taxi cartels". That's obviously upsetting to the cartels, and unhappy noises are made about background checks and meters, as if those potential problems could only be solved with a cartel. We both know that Uber & Lyft drivers give better service overall than taxi drivers overall. That's because Uber and Lyft are not part of a cartel, and have to therefore please their customers lest they lose them.
yifanlu 11y ago
And why should they last for more than a week if they break rules? Sure, you can argue that the rules are pointless but it would be arrogant for you and I to decide which rules we want to follow and which ones we can ignore. Maybe treating drivers as employees and vetting them would cost more but benefit both parties more. Maybe not. But not doing either definitely benefits the company. And maybe certain rules exist to protect us from companies; even if we don't know it because we haven't lived without such protection.
- bryanbuckley 11y ago
  It's probably healthy for a system's rules to occasionally be tested. The important rules are probably more efficiently/effectively enforced than the others.

current_call 11y ago

You mean startups, a type of company that exists to rapidly grow in a niche unregulated industry, should wait for the government to regulate their new business before it ever exists? I could be wrong, but I like to think politicians have better things to do than make laws about things that don't exist. Edit: This is relevant. He envisioned his storefront as a beachhead for Bitcoin in the heart of the Financial District, but it has been losing money as he waits for government agencies, such as New York’s Department of Financial Services, to decide how to regulate virtual currencies. “Oh please Mr. Government man, please let me run a business so I can feed my children myself, so y’know, I don’t have to go on food stamps to leech off of the people who already have your approval to eat.” http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/08/bitcoin-is-unfair-thats-the-point-and-so-it-shall-remain/ http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/08/bitcoin-is-unfair-thats-...