3 ms·

Something something just-world fallacy. http://www.spring.org.uk/2012/06/the-belief-in-a-just-world-a-fundamental-delusion.php http://www.spring.org.uk/2012/06

Something something just-world fallacy. http://www.spring.org.uk/2012/06/the-belief-in-a-just-world-a-fundamental-delusion.php http://www.spring.org.uk/2012/06/the-belief-in-a-just-world-... > expensive With the millions of dollars from diversity initiatives, I'm sure someone could pull it off. Also, I think you're missing the entire "classism" thing. I'm Polish, and just because I'm white doesn't mean I have the world handed to me. Kind of the opposite actually, everything that I've ever gotten in life was thanks to fighting the system (whether it was my work or my parents' work). I could say I deserve something, but honestly I don't really think I do. The world is not a fair place.

millermp12 11y ago
That's strange. With all those polish jokes going around, I figured poles would be a belligerent and resentful underclass. Strange how that works. Same with asians. Or is yellow the new white?
KirinDave 11y ago
The world IS fundamentally unfair. That doesn't mean that society should foster fundamentally unfair policies. I don't know why you would think that this would be wise, or after even a casual perusal of history you'd think it was novel or sustainable. > Also, I think you're missing the entire "classism" thing. I'm Polish, and just because I'm white doesn't mean I have the world handed to me. Kind of the opposite actually, everything that I've ever gotten in life was thanks to fighting the system (whether it was my work or my parents' work). It simply wasn't the subject of this conversation. "White privilege" is a specific set of special treatments you get in the US. It is not, "Magically you have a perfect life." It's undeniable that with white privilege you're less likely to be summarily executed by law enforcement, as an example. But economic and other social divides still exist. Polish and Irish people are excellent examples of other axis of discrimination and racism that still exist in the world today. > I could say I deserve something, but honestly I don't really think I do. We're all raised to accept racism as normal. It's not surprising that you feel this way. But remember, you're not the one who's history is getting them shot in the street in the US right now, so you're probably going to feel slightly less personal pain and be asked to express slightly more empathy at this exact moment.
KirinDave 11y ago
> With the millions of dollars from diversity initiatives, I'm sure someone could pull it off. One other thing, you underestimate the magnitude of this problem. You'd literally need to make a private island with a controlled social environment and raise children from birth meticulously in a Truman-Show-like theme park to actually isolate all the cultural influences that are being discussed here. Take the issue of sexism. This is baked into NEARLY ever message children receive, from birth and onwards. How would you ever actually reverse that? You can't, outside of a vacuum. You can only try to counter-balance it and hope the next generations can continue that process. Even if that were feasible, it'd be unethical.

millermp12 11y ago

That's strange. With all those polish jokes going around, I figured poles would be a belligerent and resentful underclass. Strange how that works. Same with asians. Or is yellow the new white?

KirinDave 11y ago

The world IS fundamentally unfair. That doesn't mean that society should foster fundamentally unfair policies. I don't know why you would think that this would be wise, or after even a casual perusal of history you'd think it was novel or sustainable. > Also, I think you're missing the entire "classism" thing. I'm Polish, and just because I'm white doesn't mean I have the world handed to me. Kind of the opposite actually, everything that I've ever gotten in life was thanks to fighting the system (whether it was my work or my parents' work). It simply wasn't the subject of this conversation. "White privilege" is a specific set of special treatments you get in the US. It is not, "Magically you have a perfect life." It's undeniable that with white privilege you're less likely to be summarily executed by law enforcement, as an example. But economic and other social divides still exist. Polish and Irish people are excellent examples of other axis of discrimination and racism that still exist in the world today. > I could say I deserve something, but honestly I don't really think I do. We're all raised to accept racism as normal. It's not surprising that you feel this way. But remember, you're not the one who's history is getting them shot in the street in the US right now, so you're probably going to feel slightly less personal pain and be asked to express slightly more empathy at this exact moment.

KirinDave 11y ago

> With the millions of dollars from diversity initiatives, I'm sure someone could pull it off. One other thing, you underestimate the magnitude of this problem. You'd literally need to make a private island with a controlled social environment and raise children from birth meticulously in a Truman-Show-like theme park to actually isolate all the cultural influences that are being discussed here. Take the issue of sexism. This is baked into NEARLY ever message children receive, from birth and onwards. How would you ever actually reverse that? You can't, outside of a vacuum. You can only try to counter-balance it and hope the next generations can continue that process. Even if that were feasible, it'd be unethical.