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Some reading material for those interesting in the current state of cryonics development and research, starting with an overview and moving on. Modern cryoprese
by reasonattlm 11y ago
Some reading material for those interesting in the current state of cryonics development and research, starting with an overview and moving on. Modern cryopreservation aims for vitrification, not freezing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryonics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryonics
http://alcor.org/sciencefaq.htm http://alcor.org/sciencefaq.htm
http://www.brainpreservation.org/competitors/ http://www.brainpreservation.org/competitors/
The evidence assembled to date provides a reasonable expectation that the fine structure of the brain responsible for storing the data of the mind is preserved by vitrification, based on scanning electron microscopy and current best understanding of where that data is encoded.
There are a few organizations that span the intersection between organ preservation and cryonics, such as 21st Century Medicine. The focus there is on reversible vitrification, such as the paper linked below in which a rabbit kidney is vitrified, restored, and implanted.
http://www.21cm.com/ http://www.21cm.com/
http://www.21cm.com/pdfs/12FahyORG5-3%5b1%5d.pdf http://www.21cm.com/pdfs/12FahyORG5-3%5b1%5d.pdf
There is a sizable fraction of the futurist community who approach cryonics with the pattern identity view of being satisfied with a copy of their mind running in emulation at some point in the future, the original vitrified substrate then discarded. Not very satisfying from the continuity identity perspective; a copy of you is not you. I'd be stipulating a restoration of the original tissues; probably a harder problem, but one that can be understood and foreseen. Advanced molecular nanotechnology and complete control over cellular biology would be requirements, for example, but that looks like being feasible later this century, just like the process of scanning and emulation.
The madness of it all is that cryonics is very plausible and could be far more cost-effective at volume. Yet no-one cares. Just like the problems encountered in trying to persuade anyone that working on rejuvenation biotechnology for indefinite healthy life spans is a good plan, in the matter of cryonics the population world is content to slow-walk off the cliff of aging and death without doing anything about it. There is no status quo so terrible that it won't be embraced and defended. Billions are lost to oblivion in an age in which the technological capabilities exist to prevent the overwhelming majority of those deaths. And no-one cares. The future will look on us as suicidal, ignorant barbarians, and rightly so.
- AndrewKemendo 11y agoNot very satisfying from the continuity identity perspective; a copy of you is not you. Neither are you, you you from yesterday or the day before - conscious continuity is illusory. How do you know that your body isn't replaced with a new copy each night (thought experiment)? restoration of the original tissues...Advanced molecular nanotechnology and complete control over cellular biology You run into a Ship of Theseus problem with this approach, which gets back to your original qualia problem. The biological body is not made to last - you'll need to be converted to something more durable if you want an unbroken conscious experience longer than ~100 years.
- analog31 11y agoNeither are you, you you from yesterday or the day before - conscious continuity is illusory. How do you know that your body isn't replaced with a new copy each night (thought experiment)? Because the workmanship keeps getting worse and worse. ;-)
- ChrisClark 11y agoThe copy process isn't perfect. There is a bit of corruption each time, that limits most people to less than 100 years of copies.
- fizixer 11y ago> Neither are you, you you from yesterday or the day before - conscious continuity is illusory. How do you know that your body isn't replaced with a new copy each night (thought experiment)? Conscious continuity "might be" illusory. (Unless you have a proof or evidence; unlikely). And favoring mind uploading over bio-longevity based on a "might be" is a very unsafe bet.
- NhanH 11y agoMay be Buddhism got it right a few thousand years ago: the notion of self (ie your conscious) is just an illusion ;-)
- coldtea 11y ago