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This guy just wants to eat some meat and trying so hard to rationalize himself (or herself). I wonder if he will eat lizard's tail after it gets cut off. Hey it

by volaski 11y ago

This guy just wants to eat some meat and trying so hard to rationalize himself (or herself). I wonder if he will eat lizard's tail after it gets cut off. Hey it grows back like an apple tree, and the tail itself is not sentient.

mrob 11y ago
The lizard can feel pain when the tail is cut off, and even if it can be cut painlessly it probably prefers to have an intact tail. This is more like lab grown meat - something that's technically an animal but with no more awareness than a plant. If somebody is vegan only for ethical reasons then the article makes a good argument for them eating sessile bivalves.
- volaski 11y ago
  Apple tree can "feel" pain when apple falls off too. I am not a vegan (pretty far from it) but I still can't bring myself to eat mussel or scallops because I feel bad and cruel for eating the whole thing. Yeah so that guy can say whatever and rationalize to himself that it's ethical, but they won't be "ethical" to many other people's eyes (including myself who eats meat). It's stupid to try to prove whether something is "ethical" or not in the first place. "Ethics" is a social contract and naturally subjective, it's like trying to "prove" that God exists--stupid.
  - mrob 11y ago
    Unlike mussels and oysters, scallops can swim, and scallops have simple eyes, so the same argument doesn't apply for scallops.
    - volaski 11y ago
      haha holy shit i had no idea. Anyway, i can't eat any of them, it just feels too cruel. I know i know it's weird coming from an otherwise meat eater, but that's exactly my point, it's totally fine to feel certain way but it's just a feeling and it's arrogant to think that it can be "proven" to be universal. It's like some french people who eat fois gras judging some asian people for eating dogs and vice versa. Personally I feel they're both cruel but I don't try to "prove" them, it's just my own feeling. Everyone has their own way of living depending on their culture. There's no problem with vegans eating oysters, the problem is when he thinks he can prove that it's ethical.
kawsper 11y ago
I liked the part about the spirit of veganism. There is a lot of edge-cases in vegan-groups, and lots of debate is going on. Is it alright to eat products baked with yeast? What about eating road-kill? And what about eating the eggs of rescue chickens?

by volaski 11y ago

mrob 11y ago

The lizard can feel pain when the tail is cut off, and even if it can be cut painlessly it probably prefers to have an intact tail. This is more like lab grown meat - something that's technically an animal but with no more awareness than a plant. If somebody is vegan only for ethical reasons then the article makes a good argument for them eating sessile bivalves.

volaski 11y ago
Apple tree can "feel" pain when apple falls off too. I am not a vegan (pretty far from it) but I still can't bring myself to eat mussel or scallops because I feel bad and cruel for eating the whole thing. Yeah so that guy can say whatever and rationalize to himself that it's ethical, but they won't be "ethical" to many other people's eyes (including myself who eats meat). It's stupid to try to prove whether something is "ethical" or not in the first place. "Ethics" is a social contract and naturally subjective, it's like trying to "prove" that God exists--stupid.
- mrob 11y ago
  Unlike mussels and oysters, scallops can swim, and scallops have simple eyes, so the same argument doesn't apply for scallops.
  - volaski 11y ago
    haha holy shit i had no idea. Anyway, i can't eat any of them, it just feels too cruel. I know i know it's weird coming from an otherwise meat eater, but that's exactly my point, it's totally fine to feel certain way but it's just a feeling and it's arrogant to think that it can be "proven" to be universal. It's like some french people who eat fois gras judging some asian people for eating dogs and vice versa. Personally I feel they're both cruel but I don't try to "prove" them, it's just my own feeling. Everyone has their own way of living depending on their culture. There's no problem with vegans eating oysters, the problem is when he thinks he can prove that it's ethical.

kawsper 11y ago

I liked the part about the spirit of veganism. There is a lot of edge-cases in vegan-groups, and lots of debate is going on. Is it alright to eat products baked with yeast? What about eating road-kill? And what about eating the eggs of rescue chickens?