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Sad part is a lot of Asians go into tech to avoid racism. Joke's on us?

dba7dba 11y ago
yup. no marketing, sales, project management, product manager, or any other field that doesn't somehow involve math/science.
9872 11y ago
There is no such thing as avoiding racism.
a3n 11y ago
I'm white native-born American, so grain of salt. I don't think this was racism, just fear, ignorance and bureaucracy. We happen to be in a low-grade technology/security conflict with China at the moment, so that's where investigators and prosecutors are going to pick up their annual review points at the moment. I think the same thing could have happened with a white or Chinese Russian-American professor. But maybe not with a white or Chinese Canadian-American professor.
- kelukelugames 11y ago
  And white people get killed by police too! #AllLivesMatter!!!
- kelukelugames 11y ago
  Here is a snark free reply. Yes, there is a logical explanation. Maybe this single incident is just bad luck. No racism. I would say the odds are 99% bad luck and 1% racism. But it isn't the first time a Chinese scientist ran into bad luck. Do you remember this high profile case? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wen_Ho_Lee#Indictment.2C_imprisonment_and_release https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wen_Ho_Lee#Indictment.2C_impri... Now it's more like 89% bad luck and 11% racism. There is also strong anti-Asian sentiment in general. http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB113236377590902105 http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB113236377590902105 http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Vandalism-hate-crime-charges-in-no-more-6497185.php http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Vandalism-hate-crime-cha... http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/09/10/terrorist-go-back-to-your-country-attacker-yelled-in-alleged-assault-of-sikh-man/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/09/10... 59% bad luck vs 41% racism. Not to mention the countless stereotypes. http://www.bustle.com/articles/106467-jeb-bush-donald-trumps-asian-remarks-only-reinforce-the-stereotypes-we-should-have-left-behind http://www.bustle.com/articles/106467-jeb-bush-donald-trumps... 49% vs 51%. And all of the BS from my co workers, classmates, and random people in public places. Oh yes, so much ignorant, racist BS. The odds of racism is much greater now. Because of the racism I have experienced and witnessed, the benefit of the doubt is rarely deserved.
  - bruceb 11y ago
    A few random cases including some older guy who spray paints a few building with "no Chinese" and then is charged with a felony and held on $200k bail. Hardly sign of a "racism growing"
    - kelukelugames 11y ago
      You are right. Racism is not growing. It has always been this bad. A few random cases have been happening for years. And please do not discredit the experience my family, my friends, and I have been through.
      - bruceb 11y ago
        Nothing says racism like a country where Asians earn more than whites or blacks. 5% of the US is Asian. Is 5% of China or Japan of European or African decent? No. This is not to say there is no racism but lets not go overboard. Saying what you posted doesn't make your case isn't discrediting whatever you or your family has been through.
        kelukelugames 11y ago
        Yes, racism is much, much worse in other countries. We are probably the best at handling race issues, but we still have a long ways to go. What about the Jews? They earn even more therefore anti-semitism must be a myth. Furthermore, a large percent of 1st and 2nd generation Asian Americans benefit from class privilege. Ironically class privilege is the first thing ignorant people turn to when trying to discredit white privilege. Racism impacts my family, my friends, and me directly. This is not going overboard. This is another case of ignorant people refusing to believe people of color. Business as usual.
        bruceb 11y ago
        "What about the Jews? They earn even more therefore anti-semitism must be a myth." Why would that be? When did I say there is no racism? Is there anti-semitism in the US? Sure. But little and inconsequential in the everyday lives of Jews.

yup. no marketing, sales, project management, product manager, or any other field that doesn't somehow involve math/science.

9872 11y ago

There is no such thing as avoiding racism.

a3n 11y ago

I'm white native-born American, so grain of salt. I don't think this was racism, just fear, ignorance and bureaucracy. We happen to be in a low-grade technology/security conflict with China at the moment, so that's where investigators and prosecutors are going to pick up their annual review points at the moment. I think the same thing could have happened with a white or Chinese Russian-American professor. But maybe not with a white or Chinese Canadian-American professor.

kelukelugames 11y ago
And white people get killed by police too! #AllLivesMatter!!!
kelukelugames 11y ago
Here is a snark free reply. Yes, there is a logical explanation. Maybe this single incident is just bad luck. No racism. I would say the odds are 99% bad luck and 1% racism. But it isn't the first time a Chinese scientist ran into bad luck. Do you remember this high profile case? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wen_Ho_Lee#Indictment.2C_imprisonment_and_release https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wen_Ho_Lee#Indictment.2C_impri... Now it's more like 89% bad luck and 11% racism. There is also strong anti-Asian sentiment in general. http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB113236377590902105 http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB113236377590902105 http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Vandalism-hate-crime-charges-in-no-more-6497185.php http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Vandalism-hate-crime-cha... http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/09/10/terrorist-go-back-to-your-country-attacker-yelled-in-alleged-assault-of-sikh-man/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/09/10... 59% bad luck vs 41% racism. Not to mention the countless stereotypes. http://www.bustle.com/articles/106467-jeb-bush-donald-trumps-asian-remarks-only-reinforce-the-stereotypes-we-should-have-left-behind http://www.bustle.com/articles/106467-jeb-bush-donald-trumps... 49% vs 51%. And all of the BS from my co workers, classmates, and random people in public places. Oh yes, so much ignorant, racist BS. The odds of racism is much greater now. Because of the racism I have experienced and witnessed, the benefit of the doubt is rarely deserved.
- bruceb 11y ago
  A few random cases including some older guy who spray paints a few building with "no Chinese" and then is charged with a felony and held on $200k bail. Hardly sign of a "racism growing"
  - kelukelugames 11y ago
    You are right. Racism is not growing. It has always been this bad. A few random cases have been happening for years. And please do not discredit the experience my family, my friends, and I have been through.
    - bruceb 11y ago
      Nothing says racism like a country where Asians earn more than whites or blacks. 5% of the US is Asian. Is 5% of China or Japan of European or African decent? No. This is not to say there is no racism but lets not go overboard. Saying what you posted doesn't make your case isn't discrediting whatever you or your family has been through.
      - kelukelugames 11y ago
        Yes, racism is much, much worse in other countries. We are probably the best at handling race issues, but we still have a long ways to go. What about the Jews? They earn even more therefore anti-semitism must be a myth. Furthermore, a large percent of 1st and 2nd generation Asian Americans benefit from class privilege. Ironically class privilege is the first thing ignorant people turn to when trying to discredit white privilege. Racism impacts my family, my friends, and me directly. This is not going overboard. This is another case of ignorant people refusing to believe people of color. Business as usual.
        bruceb 11y ago
        "What about the Jews? They earn even more therefore anti-semitism must be a myth." Why would that be? When did I say there is no racism? Is there anti-semitism in the US? Sure. But little and inconsequential in the everyday lives of Jews.