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> ...when I ride the MUNI I'm the only person actually paying a fare... By this, do you mean "I'm the only one who seems to be paying in cash?". If you do, the

> ...when I ride the MUNI I'm the only person actually paying a fare... By this, do you mean "I'm the only one who seems to be paying in cash?". If you do, then the vast majority of folks who aren't fare-jumping are either: * Using a Clipper Card [0] that has a "cash" balance * Using a Clipper Card that has a monthly pass on it * Using a Clipper Card that has a transfer from another bus on it * Using a paper transfer from a previous actual-cash transaction with the farebox [0] RFID tag which locally stores a balance, a couple of ticket types, and a shocking amount of your fare history. I presume that the data from the card readers on the buses are synced up with some central DB periodically.

cbhl 11y ago
Yup - you can download 60 days of ride history from clippercard.com if you register your card. Tracks every tag (so entry only on Muni/AC Transit/VTA, entry/exit on BART and Caltrain).
wooster 11y ago
Anecdotally, at least, I see a lot of people riding Muni who are fare evading. I've also never seen any fare enforcement on a Muni bus, despite living here for ~6 years.
- simoncion 11y ago
  You must have never done anything like -say- use the 38 to connect to CalTrain shortly before or shortly after rush hour. :) I made the 38->30/45->CalTrain or 47->CalTrain ride every single day for nearly a year. It seemed like once a month or once every other month, MTA fare inspectors would board the 38, 47, or -far more rarely- 30/45 I was riding and check everyone's proof of payment. On the 38 and the 47, it always took about five minutes and was a... fairly irritating delay on top of a really irritating commute.
  - wooster 11y ago
    I mostly take the 7 (nee 71), 6, and 21.
- thatswrong0 11y ago
  I took the 27 to work occasionally, and because it stops right outside the police station, fare enforcement occurred like 30% of the time
- troygoode 11y ago
  I have a monthly pass and can't always be bothered to swipe my ClipperCard. It would look to you like I'm fare evading, but I'm not really. Perhaps others are doing the same.
  - simoncion 11y ago
    The Fare Inspectors will fine you if you haven't bothered to swipe your card, even if you have a monthly pass. The card stores a record of the last $WAY_TOO_MANY interactions with a Clipper Card reader, so it's trivial for them to check. Those guys have no sense of humor. :( I'm a huge fan of Caltrain's policy: Monthly pass holders only have to interact with a reader twice at the beginning of the month [0]; once when you board and once when you disembark. For the rest of the month the conductors use their brains to remember the current month, and compare that against the end date on your monthly pass. [0] And -realistically- you don't even have to do that. I went a couple of months without interacting with the Caltrain readers; the conductors never said a thing.
organsnyder 11y ago
Not sure how it works on the muni, but I had a similar thought when I saw lots of people getting on my town's BRT without paying a fare. Then I got a six-month pass (from my employer), and now it looks like I'm not paying a fare, either, since it only had to be validated once.

cbhl 11y ago

Yup - you can download 60 days of ride history from clippercard.com if you register your card. Tracks every tag (so entry only on Muni/AC Transit/VTA, entry/exit on BART and Caltrain).

wooster 11y ago

Anecdotally, at least, I see a lot of people riding Muni who are fare evading. I've also never seen any fare enforcement on a Muni bus, despite living here for ~6 years.

simoncion 11y ago
You must have never done anything like -say- use the 38 to connect to CalTrain shortly before or shortly after rush hour. :) I made the 38->30/45->CalTrain or 47->CalTrain ride every single day for nearly a year. It seemed like once a month or once every other month, MTA fare inspectors would board the 38, 47, or -far more rarely- 30/45 I was riding and check everyone's proof of payment. On the 38 and the 47, it always took about five minutes and was a... fairly irritating delay on top of a really irritating commute.
- wooster 11y ago
  I mostly take the 7 (nee 71), 6, and 21.
thatswrong0 11y ago
I took the 27 to work occasionally, and because it stops right outside the police station, fare enforcement occurred like 30% of the time
troygoode 11y ago
I have a monthly pass and can't always be bothered to swipe my ClipperCard. It would look to you like I'm fare evading, but I'm not really. Perhaps others are doing the same.
- simoncion 11y ago
  The Fare Inspectors will fine you if you haven't bothered to swipe your card, even if you have a monthly pass. The card stores a record of the last $WAY_TOO_MANY interactions with a Clipper Card reader, so it's trivial for them to check. Those guys have no sense of humor. :( I'm a huge fan of Caltrain's policy: Monthly pass holders only have to interact with a reader twice at the beginning of the month [0]; once when you board and once when you disembark. For the rest of the month the conductors use their brains to remember the current month, and compare that against the end date on your monthly pass. [0] And -realistically- you don't even have to do that. I went a couple of months without interacting with the Caltrain readers; the conductors never said a thing.

organsnyder 11y ago

Not sure how it works on the muni, but I had a similar thought when I saw lots of people getting on my town's BRT without paying a fare. Then I got a six-month pass (from my employer), and now it looks like I'm not paying a fare, either, since it only had to be validated once.