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> reducing the amount of rampant ugly in their applications The fact that you are talking about "ugly" is the entire problem.

TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
Aesthetics do matter, though. People don't like using ugly products.
- nemo44x 11y ago
  Not only that but people using 2 products with the exact same function but different form not only prefer using the one with better form but actually encounter fewer difficulties and have a better experience. [1] Or this bit [2]. Read the entire article, but this is where those bits were from. [1] http://alistapart.com/article/indefenseofeyecandy#section7 http://alistapart.com/article/indefenseofeyecandy#section7 [2] http://alistapart.com/article/indefenseofeyecandy#section3 http://alistapart.com/article/indefenseofeyecandy#section3
nemo44x 11y ago
Form and function are both equally important.
- oconnore 11y ago
  You get the think about form when you've optimized function.
  - nemo44x 11y ago
    That is known as "form follows function" and one philosophy. The philosophy I stated is "form and function are one" which came about after the former. But it's important to consider that form and function are not necessarily separate things and that beauty is not only decoration. Read this article, in particular this [1] section. [1] http://alistapart.com/article/indefenseofeyecandy#section3 http://alistapart.com/article/indefenseofeyecandy#section3 And here's a nice quote: “…users judge the relevancy of identical search results from different search engines based on the brand…Participants in the study indicated that the results from Google and Yahoo were superior to identical results found through Windows Live or a generic search engine.”
- tsotha 11y ago
  Not in a device. Function is the most important. Form should not interfere with function.
  - epistasis 11y ago
    In physical devices that are handled, and in graphical user interfaces, the form is the plurality of the function.
  - deleted 11y ago
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  - nemo44x 11y ago
    Why? Have you studied this? Have you read research that proves otherwise? When did I suggest form interferes with function? The idea that form and function are one says functionality and form are equally important. And there's good reason for this when humans are using your device. I believe your bias comes from your position as someone who's work is create functionality. You see that as the complete product and by virtue of your intimacy with it, the most important. But you're missing the entire picture. Start reading here [1] and I suggest you read the entire article. [1] http://alistapart.com/article/indefenseofeyecandy#section3 http://alistapart.com/article/indefenseofeyecandy#section3
    - tsotha 11y ago
      >Have you studied this? There's nothing to study. What could you even mean by that? I'm sure there's an entire caste of useless "designers" who do all sorts of "research" to make themselves feel important, but in the real world people buy devices to perform tasks. If that's not what you want it for buy some jewelry instead.
      - nemo44x 11y ago
        There's actually a lot to study backed by quantitive evidence. Your business will suffer if you only focus on the function and fail to consider form. Do you think the Tesla Model S would have been a success had it the same design and form as previous attempts at an EV? The function of the car was far superior, obviously but the form was as well. Both of these elements matter and if you only have 1 or the other, you lose.
astrodust 11y ago
Soviet-era housing blocks are perfectly livable, they have a floor, a roof, walls, a toilet, heat, running water. What more could you possibly want in an apartment? They were also brutally ugly. When you have to live with something, interact with it constantly, you might want it to look nice.

TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago

Aesthetics do matter, though. People don't like using ugly products.

nemo44x 11y ago
Not only that but people using 2 products with the exact same function but different form not only prefer using the one with better form but actually encounter fewer difficulties and have a better experience. [1] Or this bit [2]. Read the entire article, but this is where those bits were from. [1] http://alistapart.com/article/indefenseofeyecandy#section7 http://alistapart.com/article/indefenseofeyecandy#section7 [2] http://alistapart.com/article/indefenseofeyecandy#section3 http://alistapart.com/article/indefenseofeyecandy#section3

nemo44x 11y ago

Form and function are both equally important.

oconnore 11y ago
You get the think about form when you've optimized function.
- nemo44x 11y ago
  That is known as "form follows function" and one philosophy. The philosophy I stated is "form and function are one" which came about after the former. But it's important to consider that form and function are not necessarily separate things and that beauty is not only decoration. Read this article, in particular this [1] section. [1] http://alistapart.com/article/indefenseofeyecandy#section3 http://alistapart.com/article/indefenseofeyecandy#section3 And here's a nice quote: “…users judge the relevancy of identical search results from different search engines based on the brand…Participants in the study indicated that the results from Google and Yahoo were superior to identical results found through Windows Live or a generic search engine.”
tsotha 11y ago
Not in a device. Function is the most important. Form should not interfere with function.
- epistasis 11y ago
  In physical devices that are handled, and in graphical user interfaces, the form is the plurality of the function.
- deleted 11y ago
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- nemo44x 11y ago
  Why? Have you studied this? Have you read research that proves otherwise? When did I suggest form interferes with function? The idea that form and function are one says functionality and form are equally important. And there's good reason for this when humans are using your device. I believe your bias comes from your position as someone who's work is create functionality. You see that as the complete product and by virtue of your intimacy with it, the most important. But you're missing the entire picture. Start reading here [1] and I suggest you read the entire article. [1] http://alistapart.com/article/indefenseofeyecandy#section3 http://alistapart.com/article/indefenseofeyecandy#section3
  - tsotha 11y ago
    >Have you studied this? There's nothing to study. What could you even mean by that? I'm sure there's an entire caste of useless "designers" who do all sorts of "research" to make themselves feel important, but in the real world people buy devices to perform tasks. If that's not what you want it for buy some jewelry instead.
    - nemo44x 11y ago
      There's actually a lot to study backed by quantitive evidence. Your business will suffer if you only focus on the function and fail to consider form. Do you think the Tesla Model S would have been a success had it the same design and form as previous attempts at an EV? The function of the car was far superior, obviously but the form was as well. Both of these elements matter and if you only have 1 or the other, you lose.

astrodust 11y ago

Soviet-era housing blocks are perfectly livable, they have a floor, a roof, walls, a toilet, heat, running water. What more could you possibly want in an apartment? They were also brutally ugly. When you have to live with something, interact with it constantly, you might want it to look nice.