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Markdown is not John Gruber's baby, it is an open source project. Stop anthropomorphizing everything in order to make a cheap point.

by sfk 17y ago

daleharvey 17y ago
Open source projects are usually someones 'baby', democracy is nice and all but experience suggests that open source does best with an 'owner / leader', if the owner/leader isnt committed, then the project flounders until someone else takes their place. a highly visible blog post criticising gruber isnt the way to move forward though, email your issues offline, maybe offer to take 'leadership' of it if gruber is too busy, and if it seems gruber wont relinquish control, but wont help the project either, then fork. the cathedral and the bazaar is a pretty interesting read on the politics of open source
- thwarted 17y ago
  Open source projects are not someone's baby unless someone claims them as such and takes their development personally. Having a leader on a project is nice, but not all source code needs a leader, and not all projects flounder without a leader. And just because development is stagnant on a popular project doesn't mean that it's floundering either. It seems that the "official" version is 1.0.1 and is available as a zip file on daringfireball. The license file doesn't say anything about Gruber being against someone else maintaining it, or forking it, or whatever. Nothing is stopping anyone, or everyone, from importing the code into github and people maintaining it there. Considering the recent comments on this submission http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1017698 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1017698 it only makes sense to put it on github, where everyone can contribute or fork and make it easy for control of the conceptually "official" version change hands.
blasdel 17y ago
It's not a collaborative project in any way -- Gruber does not accept contributions and repudiates forks + reimplementations. His Markdown.pl implementation is dogshit even by the already low standards of hand-written many-pass regex-based spaghetti-parsers. It's absolutely his buggy baby.

Markdown is not John Gruber's baby, it is an open source project. Stop anthropomorphizing everything in order to make a cheap point.

by sfk 17y ago

Markdown is not John Gruber's baby, it is an open source project. Stop anthropomorphizing everything in order to make a cheap point.

daleharvey 17y ago

Open source projects are usually someones 'baby', democracy is nice and all but experience suggests that open source does best with an 'owner / leader', if the owner/leader isnt committed, then the project flounders until someone else takes their place. a highly visible blog post criticising gruber isnt the way to move forward though, email your issues offline, maybe offer to take 'leadership' of it if gruber is too busy, and if it seems gruber wont relinquish control, but wont help the project either, then fork. the cathedral and the bazaar is a pretty interesting read on the politics of open source

thwarted 17y ago
Open source projects are not someone's baby unless someone claims them as such and takes their development personally. Having a leader on a project is nice, but not all source code needs a leader, and not all projects flounder without a leader. And just because development is stagnant on a popular project doesn't mean that it's floundering either. It seems that the "official" version is 1.0.1 and is available as a zip file on daringfireball. The license file doesn't say anything about Gruber being against someone else maintaining it, or forking it, or whatever. Nothing is stopping anyone, or everyone, from importing the code into github and people maintaining it there. Considering the recent comments on this submission http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1017698 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1017698 it only makes sense to put it on github, where everyone can contribute or fork and make it easy for control of the conceptually "official" version change hands.

blasdel 17y ago

It's not a collaborative project in any way -- Gruber does not accept contributions and repudiates forks + reimplementations. His Markdown.pl implementation is dogshit even by the already low standards of hand-written many-pass regex-based spaghetti-parsers. It's absolutely his buggy baby.