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> Introducing new definitions like yours is just an implicit attempt to advance anthropocentric exclusivity, pretty much the re-worded equivalent of that religi
by dvt 11y ago
> Introducing new definitions like yours is just an implicit attempt to advance anthropocentric exclusivity, pretty much the re-worded equivalent of that religious dogma of "only humans have soul"
Oh man, I hope you realize how /r/iamverysmart you sound right now. The poster you're replying to has a very good point that is often discussed by philosophers[1]. Your anti-theist quip doesn't serve your point either. It just makes you seem like more of an asshat.
Let me explain: since pain is (trivially) a subjective experience, does X still experience pain if it no longer has the capability for a subjective experience? For example, if I got hit by a car and ended up brain dead, it's intuitive to claim that I would no longer be able to experience pain even if you decided to cut off one of my limbs.
Was the chicken in a similar state of being? I don't know -- maybe, but probably not. Either way, it's an interesting question.
[1] http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pain/#second http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pain/#second
- trhway 11y ago>Let me explain: since pain is (trivially) a subjective experience no. Pain has basic objective component, basic common denominator - it is the specific reaction of nervous system, specific set and intensity of signals going through it in reaction to tissue damage. More complex nervous systems build more complex constructs on top of that foundation, like the expectation of pain, memory of pain, etc... and many of that additional constructs are subjective in nature, no argument here. >For example, if I got hit by a car and ended up brain dead, it's intuitive to claim that I would no longer be able to experience pain even if you decided to cut off one of my limbs. does your amygdala still function - fully "brain dead" would mean no, so no pain.
- dvt 11y agoI linked you a very reputable source that contradicts what you're saying. In other words, you're simply wrong.
- trhway 11y agoit frequently happens to a "very reputable sources" in very politically charged situations :) I mean we have pain as feedback machinery driving behavioral adaptation in natural selection vs. subjective experience. The same old fight.
- nitrogen 11y agoOh man, I hope you realize how /r/iamverysmart you sound right now. A bit OT: what is the purpose of that subreddit? The last thing our braindead modern culture needs is further normalization of the belittling of intelligence.