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The example should really go further. "The" implies definiteness, use "a" instead; "all" may be insensitive, use "some" instead; "master" may be insensitive,

by aw3c2 11y ago

The example should really go further. "The" implies definiteness, use "a" instead; "all" may be insensitive, use "some" instead; "master" may be insensitive, use "thing" instead; "server" may be insensitive, use "provider" instead; "read-only" may be insensitive, use "possibly unable to write" instead; "worry" might be triggering, use "think" instead;

TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
Please don't be disingenuous. > "worry" might be triggering Perhaps you're unfamiliar with what "trigger" means. That or you don't take the experiences of survivors of PTSD or trauma seriously.
- renaudg 11y ago
  And you, are insulting survivors of actual PTSD & trauma by insinuating that hearing words you don't like is in any way a similarly distressing experience to what they went through.
  - TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
    > And you, are insulting survivors of actual PTSD & trauma by insinuating that hearing words you don't like is in any way a similarly distressing experience to what they went through. Where did I say that? I never equated mere offensive language to triggers. Someone I know had flashbacks to a traumatic, physically-violent event after hearing someone nearby "joking" about that type of event. Are these kinds of experiences a joke to you? Something to be mocked? Because this is what trigger warnings exist to prevent.
renaudg 11y ago
Thank you so much. We need all the help we can get to expose & ridicule PCness like you just did, because it looks like these people really do exist and take themselves seriously, and there's a whole new generation in US colleges that starts crying incontrollably when a law professor utters the word "rape", for example. This might boil down to a cultural difference, but to this European guy we're way past "you've got to be kidding me" territory here.
- TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
  > there's a whole new generation in US colleges that starts crying incontrollably when a law professor utters the word "rape", for example. Constructing a straw man to prove your point is not conducive to good argumentation. People do not "cry uncontrollably" when certain words are mentioned. People are asking that works containing graphic depictions of things likely to cause severe distress to very small segments of the population be labelled in some cases, so that people in those groups can prepare themselves. People are also asking that others not use extremely offensive language towards those in minority groups who've had to suffer through it their whole lives. These are not unreasonable requests. They are a minimum standard of human decency and consideration. > This might boil down to a cultural difference, but to this European guy Neo-reactionaries exist in all cultures, I assure you.
  - renaudg 11y ago
    I really, really wish I could admit guilt and tell you that I've indeed had to construct a strawman because my point required it. Unfortunately, I didn't because it doesn't. Either you are uninformed about the current levels of insanity reached in PC circles, or you belong to them and hope that nobody will notice what you guys are up to. I will give just 2 examples, and let everyone else be the judge. http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/trouble-teaching-rape-law http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/trouble-teaching-rap... One teacher I know was recently asked by a student not to use the word “violate” in class—as in “Does this conduct violate the law?”—because the word was triggering. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/566202/NUS-jazz-hands-clapping-anxiety-feminists http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/566202/NUS-jazz-hands-clapp... The NUS Women's Campaign tweeted from its official account: "Some delegates are requesting that we move to jazz hands rather than clapping, as it's triggering anxiety. Please be mindful!" Who needs strawmen when reality is way more entertaining ? I will re-iterate that people like you, advocating that this behaviour can in any way or shape be construed as reasonable or a mark of progress, are doing a disservice to victims of actual traumatic events (more to the point : spitting in their face) by trying to liken petty little everyday traumas that everyone goes through (you guys call them "microaggressions") to what a war veteran or an actual rape victim (I said "rape", not "catcall" btw, notice the difference?) actually have had to endure. Anyway, I can't wait to see how "snowflake generation" does in the real world. Have a nice evening.

by aw3c2 11y ago

TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago

Please don't be disingenuous. > "worry" might be triggering Perhaps you're unfamiliar with what "trigger" means. That or you don't take the experiences of survivors of PTSD or trauma seriously.

renaudg 11y ago
And you, are insulting survivors of actual PTSD & trauma by insinuating that hearing words you don't like is in any way a similarly distressing experience to what they went through.
- TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
  > And you, are insulting survivors of actual PTSD & trauma by insinuating that hearing words you don't like is in any way a similarly distressing experience to what they went through. Where did I say that? I never equated mere offensive language to triggers. Someone I know had flashbacks to a traumatic, physically-violent event after hearing someone nearby "joking" about that type of event. Are these kinds of experiences a joke to you? Something to be mocked? Because this is what trigger warnings exist to prevent.

renaudg 11y ago

Thank you so much. We need all the help we can get to expose & ridicule PCness like you just did, because it looks like these people really do exist and take themselves seriously, and there's a whole new generation in US colleges that starts crying incontrollably when a law professor utters the word "rape", for example. This might boil down to a cultural difference, but to this European guy we're way past "you've got to be kidding me" territory here.

TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
> there's a whole new generation in US colleges that starts crying incontrollably when a law professor utters the word "rape", for example. Constructing a straw man to prove your point is not conducive to good argumentation. People do not "cry uncontrollably" when certain words are mentioned. People are asking that works containing graphic depictions of things likely to cause severe distress to very small segments of the population be labelled in some cases, so that people in those groups can prepare themselves. People are also asking that others not use extremely offensive language towards those in minority groups who've had to suffer through it their whole lives. These are not unreasonable requests. They are a minimum standard of human decency and consideration. > This might boil down to a cultural difference, but to this European guy Neo-reactionaries exist in all cultures, I assure you.
- renaudg 11y ago
  I really, really wish I could admit guilt and tell you that I've indeed had to construct a strawman because my point required it. Unfortunately, I didn't because it doesn't. Either you are uninformed about the current levels of insanity reached in PC circles, or you belong to them and hope that nobody will notice what you guys are up to. I will give just 2 examples, and let everyone else be the judge. http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/trouble-teaching-rape-law http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/trouble-teaching-rap... One teacher I know was recently asked by a student not to use the word “violate” in class—as in “Does this conduct violate the law?”—because the word was triggering. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/566202/NUS-jazz-hands-clapping-anxiety-feminists http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/566202/NUS-jazz-hands-clapp... The NUS Women's Campaign tweeted from its official account: "Some delegates are requesting that we move to jazz hands rather than clapping, as it's triggering anxiety. Please be mindful!" Who needs strawmen when reality is way more entertaining ? I will re-iterate that people like you, advocating that this behaviour can in any way or shape be construed as reasonable or a mark of progress, are doing a disservice to victims of actual traumatic events (more to the point : spitting in their face) by trying to liken petty little everyday traumas that everyone goes through (you guys call them "microaggressions") to what a war veteran or an actual rape victim (I said "rape", not "catcall" btw, notice the difference?) actually have had to endure. Anyway, I can't wait to see how "snowflake generation" does in the real world. Have a nice evening.