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SF devs make 150k+. It doesn't mean anything because at the end of the day after taxes and rent they probably take home less than you.

selestify 11y ago
Come on now, it's not that ridiculous to save $40k+ a year on a $150k salary, even in the Bay Area. That's saving more than the other poster makes in his entire pretax salary.
- dkarapetyan 11y ago
  My point is that absolute numbers don't really mean anything. I'm not saying SF devs are poor or struggling but if you factor in taxes and living costs then the absolute numbers no longer look so impressive.
onedev 11y ago
but they get to live in a better city than you.
vacri 11y ago
What a ridiculous statement. Taxes are what, a third of that? Leaves 100k. This means that rent would have to be $5k/mo before you get to the same starting point of $40k. And now you have $40k of money post-tax and post-rent; nurettin is talking about $40k before tax and accommodation. US$40k in Turkish lira loses a third to income tax as well, and I have no idea what accommodation is like there. $5k/mo rent exists in SV, but if you're paying that much, it's because you choose to, not because you have to. I love this industry, but it sickens me when people on six figures moan about how they're 'so poor' or 'hardly make anything' and try to distort the numbers to make it sound bad.
- dkarapetyan 11y ago
  No one is moaning. I'm pointing out that envying someone making more than you is a pointless exercise.
  - vacri 11y ago
    You were making a nonsense value judgement that a 150k+ engineer would take home less than a 40k engineer in a different place. Both places take a third in income tax at those levels. I don't know how much rent is in Turkey, 40k is 27k after a third is taken for tax - if you wanted to match even this number, that means you would have to be paying $73k in rent in SV, even higher than I was suggesting. So yes, "probably take home less than you" is definitely moaning and has no substance. It's playing to the "omg, I'm so poor" crap that's prevalent in some parts of our industry. Living expenses are higher in first-world countries and that does need to be taken into account, but claiming to have less money than someone on a quarter of your wage "because tax and rent" is nonsensical self-pity.
    - dkarapetyan 11y ago
      You should relax and tone it back a little bit. I already said several times you are taking things a little too literally so by all means move to SF and make as much as all those rich developers if you want.
      - vacri 11y ago
        You're apparently just very bad with numbers. "Once" != "Several times".

selestify 11y ago

Come on now, it's not that ridiculous to save $40k+ a year on a $150k salary, even in the Bay Area. That's saving more than the other poster makes in his entire pretax salary.

dkarapetyan 11y ago
My point is that absolute numbers don't really mean anything. I'm not saying SF devs are poor or struggling but if you factor in taxes and living costs then the absolute numbers no longer look so impressive.

onedev 11y ago

but they get to live in a better city than you.

vacri 11y ago

What a ridiculous statement. Taxes are what, a third of that? Leaves 100k. This means that rent would have to be $5k/mo before you get to the same starting point of $40k. And now you have $40k of money post-tax and post-rent; nurettin is talking about $40k before tax and accommodation. US$40k in Turkish lira loses a third to income tax as well, and I have no idea what accommodation is like there. $5k/mo rent exists in SV, but if you're paying that much, it's because you choose to, not because you have to. I love this industry, but it sickens me when people on six figures moan about how they're 'so poor' or 'hardly make anything' and try to distort the numbers to make it sound bad.

dkarapetyan 11y ago
No one is moaning. I'm pointing out that envying someone making more than you is a pointless exercise.
- vacri 11y ago
  You were making a nonsense value judgement that a 150k+ engineer would take home less than a 40k engineer in a different place. Both places take a third in income tax at those levels. I don't know how much rent is in Turkey, 40k is 27k after a third is taken for tax - if you wanted to match even this number, that means you would have to be paying $73k in rent in SV, even higher than I was suggesting. So yes, "probably take home less than you" is definitely moaning and has no substance. It's playing to the "omg, I'm so poor" crap that's prevalent in some parts of our industry. Living expenses are higher in first-world countries and that does need to be taken into account, but claiming to have less money than someone on a quarter of your wage "because tax and rent" is nonsensical self-pity.
  - dkarapetyan 11y ago
    You should relax and tone it back a little bit. I already said several times you are taking things a little too literally so by all means move to SF and make as much as all those rich developers if you want.
    - vacri 11y ago
      You're apparently just very bad with numbers. "Once" != "Several times".