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Then I think it is not very convenient to type out strings like "America/Los_Angeles" when you are dealing with timezones that come with abbreviations only. The

Then I think it is not very convenient to type out strings like "America/Los_Angeles" when you are dealing with timezones that come with abbreviations only. The whole point of using abbreviations is to avoid typing out the full name. Unless there is a way to get "America/Los_Angeles" from "PST"

nulltype 11y ago
Yeah, I don't get why they require a location. On the other hand, -0700 isn't much longer than PST and parses directly.
- bitwalker 11y ago
  Abbreviations are reused in different locales. PST in one locale can have different rules than PST in another locale. The reason the fully qualified name is needed is because it uniquely identifies a locale for which timezone rules can be followed. Offsets aren't always the right thing to use either. If you are in America/Chicago and use -0600 for your timezone, that's only accurate during standard time, and is off by an hour for daylight savings time. Knowing how/when to shift offsets is part of the timezone rules associated with a locale, because they are not constant historically.
  - nulltype 11y ago
    Ah thanks, that confirms my theory of why the location is required to parse time zone names like PST. Offsets are probably going to be fine for recorded timestamps, if all you need is the absolute time that the timestamp represents. But yeah, timezones make things so complicated that there is no one true solution I guess.
bitwalker 11y ago
I mentioned this elsewhere in this thread, but abbreviations are not unique across timezones. The rules for timezones change based on locale, and if you have multiple zones with PST as an abbreviation, which one do you use? It has to be an explicit choice or it's almost certainly going to be wrong. There is no way to get America/Los_Angeles from PST without knowing the locale that the date and time is from.

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Then I think it is not very convenient to type out strings like "America/Los_Angeles" when you are dealing with timezones that come with abbreviations only. The

by paradite 11y ago

nulltype 11y ago
Yeah, I don't get why they require a location. On the other hand, -0700 isn't much longer than PST and parses directly.
- bitwalker 11y ago
  Abbreviations are reused in different locales. PST in one locale can have different rules than PST in another locale. The reason the fully qualified name is needed is because it uniquely identifies a locale for which timezone rules can be followed. Offsets aren't always the right thing to use either. If you are in America/Chicago and use -0600 for your timezone, that's only accurate during standard time, and is off by an hour for daylight savings time. Knowing how/when to shift offsets is part of the timezone rules associated with a locale, because they are not constant historically.
  - nulltype 11y ago
    Ah thanks, that confirms my theory of why the location is required to parse time zone names like PST. Offsets are probably going to be fine for recorded timestamps, if all you need is the absolute time that the timestamp represents. But yeah, timezones make things so complicated that there is no one true solution I guess.
bitwalker 11y ago
I mentioned this elsewhere in this thread, but abbreviations are not unique across timezones. The rules for timezones change based on locale, and if you have multiple zones with PST as an abbreviation, which one do you use? It has to be an explicit choice or it's almost certainly going to be wrong. There is no way to get America/Los_Angeles from PST without knowing the locale that the date and time is from.