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Does it really make more sense to create _another_ OS, rather than extending OS X or iOS? It seems like they're doing that anyway seeing as games etc will work

Does it really make more sense to create _another_ OS, rather than extending OS X or iOS? It seems like they're doing that anyway seeing as games etc will work "across all devices"...

madeofpalk 11y ago
Apple TV has always been based on iOS, but was 'forked' a while ago and has diverged a lot since then. Initial reports suggested that this 'new' tvOS is based on iOS 9, which makes sense seeing as it's using a lot of iOS API's and frameworks
- alttab 11y ago
  Depending on how they structure the teams and how they share their code, this will either go well, or very, very poorly.
- savoytruffle 11y ago
  Recall the 1st generation Apple TV (announced in autumn 2006 and sold until 2010) was actually using a version of Mac OS X on an Intel CPU.
  - steckerbrett 11y ago
    Yes, that's an exception though. Very weird device really.
bickfordb 11y ago
It's probably not another OS in the traditional sense, but a different set of ObjC/Swift frameworks that are TV / set-top box relevant
- guelo 11y ago
  Here it mentions XML and Javascript which is, um... different. https://developer.apple.com/tvos/ https://developer.apple.com/tvos/
  - pkaler 11y ago
    I'm not sure what you're trying to point out. It looks like TVMLJS is the framework that the current set of "Apps" are built with. They're basically dashboard widgets that display XML and Javascript. https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/tvos/releasenotes/General/tvOS90APIDiffs/JavaScript/TVMLJS.html https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/tvos/releasen... There looks like there is a TVMLKit which looks like AppKit and UIKit. https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/tvos/releasenotes/General/tvOS90APIDiffs/Objective-C/TVMLKit.html https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/tvos/releasen...
  - chkuendig 11y ago
    I think its pretty clear from that page: - You can use all the iOS Frameworks you know and like to build/port your full-fledged apps for apple TV - You can build simple apps ("ideal for streaming media") with XML/JS. This means everybody can hack something together to get their online video onto the apple TV (video bloggers, local tv stations etc), but obviously for more complex stuff (e.g. games) you'd use the usual frameworks from iOS.
simonh 11y ago
Craig Federighi told journalists that in terms of software it's 95% the same as iOS an OSX. It's a new OS brand, not a new OS.

Does it really make more sense to create _another_ OS, rather than extending OS X or iOS? It seems like they're doing that anyway seeing as games etc will work "across all devices"...

madeofpalk 11y ago

Apple TV has always been based on iOS, but was 'forked' a while ago and has diverged a lot since then. Initial reports suggested that this 'new' tvOS is based on iOS 9, which makes sense seeing as it's using a lot of iOS API's and frameworks

alttab 11y ago
Depending on how they structure the teams and how they share their code, this will either go well, or very, very poorly.
savoytruffle 11y ago
Recall the 1st generation Apple TV (announced in autumn 2006 and sold until 2010) was actually using a version of Mac OS X on an Intel CPU.
- steckerbrett 11y ago
  Yes, that's an exception though. Very weird device really.

bickfordb 11y ago

It's probably not another OS in the traditional sense, but a different set of ObjC/Swift frameworks that are TV / set-top box relevant

guelo 11y ago
Here it mentions XML and Javascript which is, um... different. https://developer.apple.com/tvos/ https://developer.apple.com/tvos/
- pkaler 11y ago
  I'm not sure what you're trying to point out. It looks like TVMLJS is the framework that the current set of "Apps" are built with. They're basically dashboard widgets that display XML and Javascript. https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/tvos/releasenotes/General/tvOS90APIDiffs/JavaScript/TVMLJS.html https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/tvos/releasen... There looks like there is a TVMLKit which looks like AppKit and UIKit. https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/tvos/releasenotes/General/tvOS90APIDiffs/Objective-C/TVMLKit.html https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/tvos/releasen...
- chkuendig 11y ago
  I think its pretty clear from that page: - You can use all the iOS Frameworks you know and like to build/port your full-fledged apps for apple TV - You can build simple apps ("ideal for streaming media") with XML/JS. This means everybody can hack something together to get their online video onto the apple TV (video bloggers, local tv stations etc), but obviously for more complex stuff (e.g. games) you'd use the usual frameworks from iOS.

simonh 11y ago

Craig Federighi told journalists that in terms of software it's 95% the same as iOS an OSX. It's a new OS brand, not a new OS.