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It is not a "technical bias", it is more your bias towards Apple. Take the last year's iPhone 6 as an example: HN members complained about small screen sizes fo

by mamon 11y ago

It is not a "technical bias", it is more your bias towards Apple. Take the last year's iPhone 6 as an example: HN members complained about small screen sizes for a long time, and it took Steve Job's death to actually make that happen, but gues what? iPhone 6 is most succesfull iPhone ever. Apple did some innovations few years ago (original iPhone, iPad), but since then most of new features in Apple products are taken from Android an WP devices. I personally would like to see Apple's response to Lenovo Yoga 3 (convertible tablet/ultrabook) and for some time I hoped that iPad Pro will be just that. Unfortunately it isn't so the chances of me buying it just fell around 0%.

zimpenfish 11y ago
> iPhone 6 is most succesfull iPhone ever. They did a lot of background work getting the OS and UIKit and developers up to speed for supporting multiple device sizes - necessary for introducing bigger screens - and I would suggest that played a large part in making the 6 successful. People weren't getting a crappy scaled experience from the apps they already knew.
jsz0 11y ago
> It is not a "technical bias", it is more your bias towards Apple. Preference or bias? No random person commenting on Hacker News is obligated to be unbiased. We're allowed to have preferences still right? My preferences might be different depending on different contexts. I rarely order cocktail sauce to put on my chocolate ice cream but I also rarely order whip cream to put on my shrimp. That doesn't make me bias against cocktail sauce or whip cream.
etchalon 11y ago
So 3D Touch is something Android has? This is mostly a tongue-in-cheek comment, but the broader point is that of course Apple has "innovated" since the original iPhone, iPad, iWhatever. In some big ways, and in some small ways. But so have other players in the industry. Apple has borrowed some good ideas from them, just as they have borrowed good ideas from Apple. However saying Apple hasn't innovated since those original announcements is so hilariously ludicrous.
- Thimothy 11y ago
  Actually... It does. Huawei did a demo about it a few months ago. http://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-mate-s-force-touch-hands-640251/ http://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-mate-s-force-touch-ha... It's okay to live inside a ecosystem, but don't pretend to know what happens outside it.
  - etchalon 11y ago
    Huawei's version is not Force Touch, as Apple has defined it. It's a pressure sensitive display, with no haptic. It's about as precise as MotionEvent.getPressure from what I've seen (which isn't really precise if you've used that API). Basically, they saw the Apple Watch, and kinda cribbed together a rough copy of it, and jammed it into a phone. Shocking, I know, as Android OEM hardware hacks are always done as cohesive, full-thought implementations.
  - mattkevan 11y ago
    There's a world of difference between a demo – and an 'very limited indeed' implementation, and a flagship feature supported at a deep level by the OS. Force touch on Android will never get anywhere until it's specifically supported by Google (who unless I'm mistaken, haven't included it in M), and the install rate is high enough to make it worthwhile. I'm sure more OEMs will include it, but individually they won't have the clout to make it go anywhere. It's a bit like the argument around NFC. My Nexus 6 has it, but until M is released with Google Pay, it's pretty much useless. Apple waited until they had a compelling use-case, and only then included it. I would not be surprised if the use of NFC is far higher on iOS than Android.
    - jhasse 11y ago
      I have NFC (Galaxy S4) and never used it to pay, still would miss it. You can easily send links or photos, I did this a while back with a friend who has a SONY Z3 and it worked flawlessly. Also I can pair my wireless headset with my phone using NFC. I can use Google Pay in the future with my over 2 years old device. Apple users have to buy a new iPhone for that.
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paublyrne 11y ago
iPhone 6 is most succesfull iPhone ever. Hasn't every iPhone been the most successful iPhone ever?

by mamon 11y ago

zimpenfish 11y ago

> iPhone 6 is most succesfull iPhone ever. They did a lot of background work getting the OS and UIKit and developers up to speed for supporting multiple device sizes - necessary for introducing bigger screens - and I would suggest that played a large part in making the 6 successful. People weren't getting a crappy scaled experience from the apps they already knew.

jsz0 11y ago

> It is not a "technical bias", it is more your bias towards Apple. Preference or bias? No random person commenting on Hacker News is obligated to be unbiased. We're allowed to have preferences still right? My preferences might be different depending on different contexts. I rarely order cocktail sauce to put on my chocolate ice cream but I also rarely order whip cream to put on my shrimp. That doesn't make me bias against cocktail sauce or whip cream.

etchalon 11y ago

So 3D Touch is something Android has? This is mostly a tongue-in-cheek comment, but the broader point is that of course Apple has "innovated" since the original iPhone, iPad, iWhatever. In some big ways, and in some small ways. But so have other players in the industry. Apple has borrowed some good ideas from them, just as they have borrowed good ideas from Apple. However saying Apple hasn't innovated since those original announcements is so hilariously ludicrous.

Thimothy 11y ago
Actually... It does. Huawei did a demo about it a few months ago. http://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-mate-s-force-touch-hands-640251/ http://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-mate-s-force-touch-ha... It's okay to live inside a ecosystem, but don't pretend to know what happens outside it.
- etchalon 11y ago
  Huawei's version is not Force Touch, as Apple has defined it. It's a pressure sensitive display, with no haptic. It's about as precise as MotionEvent.getPressure from what I've seen (which isn't really precise if you've used that API). Basically, they saw the Apple Watch, and kinda cribbed together a rough copy of it, and jammed it into a phone. Shocking, I know, as Android OEM hardware hacks are always done as cohesive, full-thought implementations.
- mattkevan 11y ago
  There's a world of difference between a demo – and an 'very limited indeed' implementation, and a flagship feature supported at a deep level by the OS. Force touch on Android will never get anywhere until it's specifically supported by Google (who unless I'm mistaken, haven't included it in M), and the install rate is high enough to make it worthwhile. I'm sure more OEMs will include it, but individually they won't have the clout to make it go anywhere. It's a bit like the argument around NFC. My Nexus 6 has it, but until M is released with Google Pay, it's pretty much useless. Apple waited until they had a compelling use-case, and only then included it. I would not be surprised if the use of NFC is far higher on iOS than Android.
  - jhasse 11y ago
    I have NFC (Galaxy S4) and never used it to pay, still would miss it. You can easily send links or photos, I did this a while back with a friend who has a SONY Z3 and it worked flawlessly. Also I can pair my wireless headset with my phone using NFC. I can use Google Pay in the future with my over 2 years old device. Apple users have to buy a new iPhone for that.
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paublyrne 11y ago

iPhone 6 is most succesfull iPhone ever. Hasn't every iPhone been the most successful iPhone ever?