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Yes, they are playing catch up in the cover keyboard and stylus categories. However, they are still dominating mobile, revamping their TV line, and growing in

by zerohm 11y ago

Yes, they are playing catch up in the cover keyboard and stylus categories. However, they are still dominating mobile, revamping their TV line, and growing in a shrinking PC market. Oh and also they just released a pretty successful watch. Just saying, I think Apple is still a pretty innovative company.

nawitus 11y ago
How do you define dominating mobile? There are far more Android smartphones.
- MaysonL 11y ago
  Are any of them profitable? For sure, none as profitable as the iPhone.
- rdancer 11y ago
  Person-hours of actual use; app purchase & use; web use; user satisfaction. For example, if you're developing a business website, iOS dominates the market, because optimizing for Android is nigh impossible, and iOS users have more money, and spend more money (on average, your market segment may differ, mine does). Or, if you're considering making an app, iOS dominates the market, because Android users don't like using apps, much less paying for them.
- erispoe 11y ago
  iOS has a 14% market share
  - metamet 11y ago
    DOMINATION.
    - coldtea 11y ago
      They dominate the profits -- and the people that actuall do anything "smart" (most web use in the US for example, is from iOS devices, despite Android devices being far more percentage-wise). Androids huge sales are mostly low end of the market -- people who don't care about smartphones or computers, and just get whats cheaper with a 2 year contract.
      - yohui 11y ago
        But most mobile web browsing worldwide is from Android devices, and iOS's share of the mobile device market in the US is much larger than in most other countries (not quite parity, but Android's lead is much smaller). Apple does reap the lion's share of profit from smartphone sales, but they don't dominate smartphone use.
        coldtea 11y ago
        >But most mobile web browsing worldwide is from Android devices Of course it is -- there are way more of those Android units. But I wanted to point which users are more active, not mere volume. Even in the US Android could have more volume, but iOS users still generate far more traffic (not as total: as traffic per head). If the 10% or 5% iOS users in a country generate the 20% or 30% of web traffic, then they are much more heavier tech/web users than the others.
      - sbov 11y ago
        > most web use in the US for example, is from iOS devices Any proof? Our US-only ecommerce site has 33% more visitors using Android than iOS. Our other US-only site has 2x more Android visitors than iOS. I realize that sites vary by demographics, so I'm curious if you're just making this statement up, using your own site's stats, or found something that actually backs this up on the wider web.
        coldtea 11y ago
        >Any proof? http://fortune.com/2015/09/04/apple-tv-everywhere-share/ http://fortune.com/2015/09/04/apple-tv-everywhere-share/ http://www.cnet.com/news/apple-outshines-android-in-us-mobile-web-traffic/ http://www.cnet.com/news/apple-outshines-android-in-us-mobil... Or: http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2014/08/03/ios-users-seven-times-more-active-than-android-users-suggests-net-applications/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2014/08/03/ios-users-... Or even this, which spins the issue: http://www.businessinsider.com/android-is-beating-ios-in-web-usage-2014-8 http://www.businessinsider.com/android-is-beating-ios-in-web... The latter is about Android "beating" iOs in web usage for the first time -- but in fact usage/users ratio is much higher in iOS, so you get more web usage from far fewer users. >Our US-only ecommerce site has 33% more visitors using Android than iOS. Our other US-only site has 2x more Android visitors than iOS. Depends if it attracts the demographic who would opt for cheaper Android phones. My numbers are from several generic articles (by ad companies, sites etc) on the respective platforms web use.
  - r00fus 11y ago
    Apple has near complete profit share: http://www.wsj.com/articles/apples-share-of-smartphone-industrys-profits-soars-to-92-1436727458 http://www.wsj.com/articles/apples-share-of-smartphone-indus... Yes,92% of industry profits is domination in my book. Without sustainable profits, marketshare is meaningless. Only profitable players are Samsung and Apple.
- dendory 11y ago
  Apple sells more phones than any company in the world, with Samsung close behind. Apple makes more profit than any phone company in the world, by a very large margin. That == Dominating mobile.
  - sigmar 11y ago
    >Apple sells more phones than any company in the world, with Samsung close behind. what? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_mobile_phones#2015 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_mobile_ph...
- zerohm 11y ago
  Apple is dominating the high end mobile market, where profits and the most desired customers are. (People who pay for apps and spend money within apps) http://techcrunch.com/2015/04/14/revenue-gap-between-ios-and-android-apps-grows-thanks-to-china/#.smpkdm:jmaR http://techcrunch.com/2015/04/14/revenue-gap-between-ios-and... The "free with contract" or sub $400 market is a cut throat race to the bottom between Samsung and Xiaomi. Apple chooses not to enter that race (despite several journalists claiming they NEED a cheap phone to survive).
incepted 11y ago
The only reason why they are growing is because they have a much smaller market share. Which is why Tim Cook only revealed relative numbers: Apple is falling behind a bit more every year in absolute numbers.
- jrochkind1 11y ago
  That doesn't even make sense; the only way they could be growing in relative market share but shrinking in absolute numbers is if the market is shrinking, and I'm pretty sure it's not.
  - incepted 11y ago
    If you have 1% market share and you grow to 2%, you have doubled your market share. That's the angle that Cook used. If the market leader has 90% market share and they grow to 95%, they have grown a lot less than you relatively (so the minor player can claim they have grown the most) but they now own a bigger piece of the pie than they used to. This is why you should always be skeptical of anyone who uses relative numbers (growth) instead of absolute ones: the reality is probably that they have lost market share. Which is what we have seen Apple do compared to Android these past three years. You will notice that the early keynotes right after the iPhone and iPad came out were showing absolute numbers in shipments and dollars, and now, they just stick to percents and vague claims ("We're growing the fastest").
  - brwnll 11y ago
    I think they simply worded that poorly. Apple could be growing at higher Y/y %, but still be loosing ground in terms of actual units being sold depending on overall market growth. For example, below appears to be the report Cook used for his "+14% vs -0.4%" slide, which at best, is very misleading. "In the worldwide mobile phone market (inclusive of smartphones), vendors shipped 464.6 million units, down -0.4% from the 466.3 million units shipped 2Q14.[1]" Truth is, the smartphone market actually GREW by 11.6% (Q2 2014:302.1m => Q2 2015:337.2m). 1. http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS25804315 http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS25804315
  - thaumasiotes 11y ago

by zerohm 11y ago

nawitus 11y ago

How do you define dominating mobile? There are far more Android smartphones.

MaysonL 11y ago
Are any of them profitable? For sure, none as profitable as the iPhone.
rdancer 11y ago
Person-hours of actual use; app purchase & use; web use; user satisfaction. For example, if you're developing a business website, iOS dominates the market, because optimizing for Android is nigh impossible, and iOS users have more money, and spend more money (on average, your market segment may differ, mine does). Or, if you're considering making an app, iOS dominates the market, because Android users don't like using apps, much less paying for them.
erispoe 11y ago
iOS has a 14% market share
- metamet 11y ago
  DOMINATION.
  - coldtea 11y ago
    They dominate the profits -- and the people that actuall do anything "smart" (most web use in the US for example, is from iOS devices, despite Android devices being far more percentage-wise). Androids huge sales are mostly low end of the market -- people who don't care about smartphones or computers, and just get whats cheaper with a 2 year contract.
    - yohui 11y ago
      But most mobile web browsing worldwide is from Android devices, and iOS's share of the mobile device market in the US is much larger than in most other countries (not quite parity, but Android's lead is much smaller). Apple does reap the lion's share of profit from smartphone sales, but they don't dominate smartphone use.
      - coldtea 11y ago
        >But most mobile web browsing worldwide is from Android devices Of course it is -- there are way more of those Android units. But I wanted to point which users are more active, not mere volume. Even in the US Android could have more volume, but iOS users still generate far more traffic (not as total: as traffic per head). If the 10% or 5% iOS users in a country generate the 20% or 30% of web traffic, then they are much more heavier tech/web users than the others.
    - sbov 11y ago
      > most web use in the US for example, is from iOS devices Any proof? Our US-only ecommerce site has 33% more visitors using Android than iOS. Our other US-only site has 2x more Android visitors than iOS. I realize that sites vary by demographics, so I'm curious if you're just making this statement up, using your own site's stats, or found something that actually backs this up on the wider web.
      - coldtea 11y ago
        >Any proof? http://fortune.com/2015/09/04/apple-tv-everywhere-share/ http://fortune.com/2015/09/04/apple-tv-everywhere-share/ http://www.cnet.com/news/apple-outshines-android-in-us-mobile-web-traffic/ http://www.cnet.com/news/apple-outshines-android-in-us-mobil... Or: http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2014/08/03/ios-users-seven-times-more-active-than-android-users-suggests-net-applications/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2014/08/03/ios-users-... Or even this, which spins the issue: http://www.businessinsider.com/android-is-beating-ios-in-web-usage-2014-8 http://www.businessinsider.com/android-is-beating-ios-in-web... The latter is about Android "beating" iOs in web usage for the first time -- but in fact usage/users ratio is much higher in iOS, so you get more web usage from far fewer users. >Our US-only ecommerce site has 33% more visitors using Android than iOS. Our other US-only site has 2x more Android visitors than iOS. Depends if it attracts the demographic who would opt for cheaper Android phones. My numbers are from several generic articles (by ad companies, sites etc) on the respective platforms web use.
- r00fus 11y ago
  Apple has near complete profit share: http://www.wsj.com/articles/apples-share-of-smartphone-industrys-profits-soars-to-92-1436727458 http://www.wsj.com/articles/apples-share-of-smartphone-indus... Yes,92% of industry profits is domination in my book. Without sustainable profits, marketshare is meaningless. Only profitable players are Samsung and Apple.
dendory 11y ago
Apple sells more phones than any company in the world, with Samsung close behind. Apple makes more profit than any phone company in the world, by a very large margin. That == Dominating mobile.
- sigmar 11y ago
  >Apple sells more phones than any company in the world, with Samsung close behind. what? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_mobile_phones#2015 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_mobile_ph...
zerohm 11y ago
Apple is dominating the high end mobile market, where profits and the most desired customers are. (People who pay for apps and spend money within apps) http://techcrunch.com/2015/04/14/revenue-gap-between-ios-and-android-apps-grows-thanks-to-china/#.smpkdm:jmaR http://techcrunch.com/2015/04/14/revenue-gap-between-ios-and... The "free with contract" or sub $400 market is a cut throat race to the bottom between Samsung and Xiaomi. Apple chooses not to enter that race (despite several journalists claiming they NEED a cheap phone to survive).

incepted 11y ago

The only reason why they are growing is because they have a much smaller market share. Which is why Tim Cook only revealed relative numbers: Apple is falling behind a bit more every year in absolute numbers.

jrochkind1 11y ago
That doesn't even make sense; the only way they could be growing in relative market share but shrinking in absolute numbers is if the market is shrinking, and I'm pretty sure it's not.
- incepted 11y ago
  If you have 1% market share and you grow to 2%, you have doubled your market share. That's the angle that Cook used. If the market leader has 90% market share and they grow to 95%, they have grown a lot less than you relatively (so the minor player can claim they have grown the most) but they now own a bigger piece of the pie than they used to. This is why you should always be skeptical of anyone who uses relative numbers (growth) instead of absolute ones: the reality is probably that they have lost market share. Which is what we have seen Apple do compared to Android these past three years. You will notice that the early keynotes right after the iPhone and iPad came out were showing absolute numbers in shipments and dollars, and now, they just stick to percents and vague claims ("We're growing the fastest").
- brwnll 11y ago
  I think they simply worded that poorly. Apple could be growing at higher Y/y %, but still be loosing ground in terms of actual units being sold depending on overall market growth. For example, below appears to be the report Cook used for his "+14% vs -0.4%" slide, which at best, is very misleading. "In the worldwide mobile phone market (inclusive of smartphones), vendors shipped 464.6 million units, down -0.4% from the 466.3 million units shipped 2Q14.[1]" Truth is, the smartphone market actually GREW by 11.6% (Q2 2014:302.1m => Q2 2015:337.2m). 1. http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS25804315 http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS25804315
- thaumasiotes 11y ago