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In all fairness I know many people who love to draw on the Surface and really wanted a more precise pen type of input on the iPad; I think this was a long time

In all fairness I know many people who love to draw on the Surface and really wanted a more precise pen type of input on the iPad; I think this was a long time coming and really necessary. The keyboard cover thing? Sure I could agree with you on that. I actually think Surface did a better job with it especially with the adjustable kickstand but we'll see when I can actually touch and play with the iPad Pro one.

fluidcruft 11y ago
I'm a dinosaur still waiting for something to replace paper. Maybe this is it, maybe not. What I want to do: read things, highlight, scribble notes, diagrams, outlines, sync, search, etc. Basically I want something that completely replaces paper coming out of a printer. It seems like the younger people maybe are more adapted to digital documents, but I have very strong spatial memory for paper and can find things I've written or read in paper very quickly. Surface Pro has this, but is overkill frankly. iPad, kindle, other tablets have not been sufficiently usable to actually replace a printed or blank sheet of paper. This device may fit that use case, but it inhabits a priced point that's worse than Surface Pro. For some reason I'm waiting for something in the $200-300 price range to show up--things that are more expensive I feel like I have to protect and coddle. So, yes something like iOS definitely could work there. There are even some interesting eink devices that go after the paper replacement route. But they are also too expensive compared to Surface Pro. Maybe this will be a big enough kick in the butt for Google to start supporting pen input in ChromeOS or Android (there are Android tablets that have pen input, but IIRC that support is plastered on top by manufacturers increasing support and integration costs significantly, so software updates don't happen).
- lewisl9029 11y ago
  > Maybe this will be a big enough kick in the butt for Google to start supporting pen input in ChromeOS or Android (there are Android tablets that have pen input, but IIRC that support is plastered on top by manufacturers increasing support and integration costs significantly, so software updates don't happen). This is what I'm hoping for as well. I'd love to use a phone with pen support, but as long as it's not built into the core OS, pen support is going to come at the cost of timely OS updates. And that's a trade-off I'm not willing to make since I generally buy unlocked and tend to skip quite a few generations before upgrading.
mhomde 11y ago
Yeah, the Mac book is really huge within certain tech/creative circles and not in a million years would they get a windows machine (well,a few do albeit very reluctantly). Every mac illustrator worth his salt is going to throw money at the screen to get this and I'm sure many many apps for the pen aren't far behind. Smart move by Apple The enterprise market is more tricky... I can see some fancy plastic surgery office having iPad Pro's but when it comes to "less sexy" enterprise uses I still think Surface and Windows might be ahead
- egypturnash 11y ago
  I wonder how long it'll take AstroPad (http://astropad.com http://astropad.com) to support the Apple Pencil. I'm an illustrator and this is definitely on my list. I am not a big fan of drawing where I'm looking any more, but Astropad + an ipad Pro will let me work in Illustrator in a cramped environment. And maybe in a couple of years we'll finally get an Air/iPad Pro hybrid. Like the Surface, except running OSX.
- 72deluxe 11y ago
  throwing money at the screen haha that makes me laugh. Either a big wad of cash notes, or bags of metal change, or flicking a credit card at it like ninja stars. Even funnier would be the attempt to pay contactless by waving their NFC phone repeatedly over the screen like we used to do with magnets on CRTs before we realised the damage it did... I have a MacBook and every time I use a Windows laptop I find the touchpad to be a complete joke and clicky clicky clicky. Even booting to Windows on my MacBook is painful as the touchpad suddenly becomes very dumb.
jcl 11y ago
The stylus is interesting in that it's a total about-face for Apple. So far as I can tell, no Apple store has ever stocked an iPhone- or iPad-compatible stylus -- not the cheap capacitive ones nor even the iPad-exclusive pressure-sensitive Wacom stylus for artists, despite stocking Wacom tablets. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YY3MSaUqMg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YY3MSaUqMg
- 2muchcoffeeman 11y ago
  Didn't Jobs publicly bash flash-based music players and then they released the iPod Nano?
- MengerSponge 11y ago
  Ahem: http://www.apple.com/shop/product/HHVE2ZM/A/pencil-by-fiftythree http://www.apple.com/shop/product/HHVE2ZM/A/pencil-by-fiftyt... It's more than a year old now. And you're deliberately misinterpreting that keynote. Unlike the devices that basically were on the market, you don't need a stylus to navigate the OS or use the device at all.
  - jcl 11y ago
    Ah, I wasn't aware of this. Looks like it was first stocked in Apple stores in January (despite it and other styluses being available well before): http://www.macrumors.com/2015/01/21/pencil-available-apple-stores/ http://www.macrumors.com/2015/01/21/pencil-available-apple-s... I guess I hadn't asked in a store since then. :)
- aflinik 11y ago
  That's far from true, I bought my FiftyThree Pencil at Apple Store.

fluidcruft 11y ago

I'm a dinosaur still waiting for something to replace paper. Maybe this is it, maybe not. What I want to do: read things, highlight, scribble notes, diagrams, outlines, sync, search, etc. Basically I want something that completely replaces paper coming out of a printer. It seems like the younger people maybe are more adapted to digital documents, but I have very strong spatial memory for paper and can find things I've written or read in paper very quickly. Surface Pro has this, but is overkill frankly. iPad, kindle, other tablets have not been sufficiently usable to actually replace a printed or blank sheet of paper. This device may fit that use case, but it inhabits a priced point that's worse than Surface Pro. For some reason I'm waiting for something in the $200-300 price range to show up--things that are more expensive I feel like I have to protect and coddle. So, yes something like iOS definitely could work there. There are even some interesting eink devices that go after the paper replacement route. But they are also too expensive compared to Surface Pro. Maybe this will be a big enough kick in the butt for Google to start supporting pen input in ChromeOS or Android (there are Android tablets that have pen input, but IIRC that support is plastered on top by manufacturers increasing support and integration costs significantly, so software updates don't happen).

lewisl9029 11y ago
> Maybe this will be a big enough kick in the butt for Google to start supporting pen input in ChromeOS or Android (there are Android tablets that have pen input, but IIRC that support is plastered on top by manufacturers increasing support and integration costs significantly, so software updates don't happen). This is what I'm hoping for as well. I'd love to use a phone with pen support, but as long as it's not built into the core OS, pen support is going to come at the cost of timely OS updates. And that's a trade-off I'm not willing to make since I generally buy unlocked and tend to skip quite a few generations before upgrading.

mhomde 11y ago

Yeah, the Mac book is really huge within certain tech/creative circles and not in a million years would they get a windows machine (well,a few do albeit very reluctantly). Every mac illustrator worth his salt is going to throw money at the screen to get this and I'm sure many many apps for the pen aren't far behind. Smart move by Apple The enterprise market is more tricky... I can see some fancy plastic surgery office having iPad Pro's but when it comes to "less sexy" enterprise uses I still think Surface and Windows might be ahead

egypturnash 11y ago
I wonder how long it'll take AstroPad (http://astropad.com http://astropad.com) to support the Apple Pencil. I'm an illustrator and this is definitely on my list. I am not a big fan of drawing where I'm looking any more, but Astropad + an ipad Pro will let me work in Illustrator in a cramped environment. And maybe in a couple of years we'll finally get an Air/iPad Pro hybrid. Like the Surface, except running OSX.
72deluxe 11y ago
throwing money at the screen haha that makes me laugh. Either a big wad of cash notes, or bags of metal change, or flicking a credit card at it like ninja stars. Even funnier would be the attempt to pay contactless by waving their NFC phone repeatedly over the screen like we used to do with magnets on CRTs before we realised the damage it did... I have a MacBook and every time I use a Windows laptop I find the touchpad to be a complete joke and clicky clicky clicky. Even booting to Windows on my MacBook is painful as the touchpad suddenly becomes very dumb.

jcl 11y ago

The stylus is interesting in that it's a total about-face for Apple. So far as I can tell, no Apple store has ever stocked an iPhone- or iPad-compatible stylus -- not the cheap capacitive ones nor even the iPad-exclusive pressure-sensitive Wacom stylus for artists, despite stocking Wacom tablets. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YY3MSaUqMg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YY3MSaUqMg

2muchcoffeeman 11y ago
Didn't Jobs publicly bash flash-based music players and then they released the iPod Nano?
MengerSponge 11y ago
Ahem: http://www.apple.com/shop/product/HHVE2ZM/A/pencil-by-fiftythree http://www.apple.com/shop/product/HHVE2ZM/A/pencil-by-fiftyt... It's more than a year old now. And you're deliberately misinterpreting that keynote. Unlike the devices that basically were on the market, you don't need a stylus to navigate the OS or use the device at all.
- jcl 11y ago
  Ah, I wasn't aware of this. Looks like it was first stocked in Apple stores in January (despite it and other styluses being available well before): http://www.macrumors.com/2015/01/21/pencil-available-apple-stores/ http://www.macrumors.com/2015/01/21/pencil-available-apple-s... I guess I hadn't asked in a store since then. :)
aflinik 11y ago
That's far from true, I bought my FiftyThree Pencil at Apple Store.