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It's completely unacceptable for the new Apple TV not to support 4K, when both Netflix and Amazon are releasing 4K content now. On top of that, the new iPhones

It's completely unacceptable for the new Apple TV not to support 4K, when both Netflix and Amazon are releasing 4K content now. On top of that, the new iPhones can record in 4K, and the new iPad can edit 4K videos. You can buy a 50 inch 4K TV nowadays for under $1,000. 4K is going to explode in the next year or two, and if the new Apple TV doesn't support it, I won't be buying it. Period.

elif 11y ago
I agree. I paid $600 for my 52 inch 4K... and it's not a cheap Chinese one, it's a samsung smart tv with native streaming, voice command, and multi-axis remote.. They are going to miss the boat if 4k explodes this black friday.
rsynnott 11y ago
> 4K is going to explode in the next year or two At which time they will no doubt support it. Right now it'd be an extra expense of use to very few users, and they'd have to deal with the connectivity problem.
nsxwolf 11y ago
What's the point of 4K on a TV again? So you can walk up to it and say "ooooh!", then go sit down and have it look like 1080p? Is that brief standing-too-close moment worth the massive increase in bandwidth required?
- t0mbstone 11y ago
  Watch 4K content on a 75 inch screen, then play 1080p content on that same screen. The difference in clarity is huge. The only reason you can't tell the difference is because you are probably watching 1080p content that is being upscaled. Watch TRUE 4K content on a 65+ inch television, and it's like looking through window. It's amazing.
  - nsxwolf 11y ago
    At what viewing distance, though? I have a 65 inch 1080p set that I sit 12 feet from. Without my glasses, I can't tell the difference between 1080p and 480p at that distance.
    - t0mbstone 11y ago
      I sit about 10-12 feet away from my TV. It sounds like you need to get your vision checked.
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a_c_s 11y ago
People don't buy TV's that often: 5 years after release HD TV penetration was only 3%. It took 15 years to reach 81%. 4K TV's aren't going to "explode", they are going to continue to be a slow trickle. http://www.rethinkresearch.biz/articles/15-years-after-launch-hdtv-penetration-hits-81-in-us-homes/ http://www.rethinkresearch.biz/articles/15-years-after-launc...
tdkl 11y ago
The whole reason the 4K bandwagon exist is to push people to replace their whole media hardware stack again. They tried with 3D, but that flopped, so apparently more pixels are needed, so you can see the media with more clarity from the sofa (where there's basically no difference because of the distance). Similar as pushing 2k/4k screens to mobile phones - marketing and sales.
- t0mbstone 11y ago
  I have 20/30 vision (slightly blurry), and I can ABSOLUTELY tell the difference between normal HD and Ultra HD, from 10 feet away. Anyone who can't is either partially blind, or is lying.
  - tdkl 11y ago
    http://www.rtings.com/images/resolution-4k-ultra-hd-chart.png http://www.rtings.com/images/resolution-4k-ultra-hd-chart.pn... Source: http://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/4k-ultra-hd-uhd-vs-1080p-full-hd-tvs-and-upscaling-compared http://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/4k-ultra-hd-uhd-vs-1080p-full...
  - rsynnott 11y ago
    I assume you're using a very big TV. I'm currently looking at a ~38" TV from about 10 feet away, and can't see the pixels on the 720p content from my 2010 AppleTV. >60" TVs are a thing, but they're a serious niche, especially outside the U.S., where homes tend to be smaller. Apple would simply be adding cost to work for the tiny amount of the market who both want a really huge TV, and happen to have gotten a 4k one, and they'd probably have to release a hardware revision or so anyway in a year or so she the connectivity issues around 4k resolve themselves.
ians 11y ago
And if 4k does explode in a year or two couldn't Apple do a hardware update for the AppleTV in that time?
- t0mbstone 11y ago
  Sure, which would mean that users would have to spend ANOTHER $200 for the version of the Apple TV that supported 4k. I mean, aren't they are supposed to be releasing cutting edge technology here? Why are they releasing a set top Apple TV that can't even display the content that the new iPhone and iPad can CREATE and edit? I want to be able to record 4K videos on my iPhone, then turn around and play them on my 4K TV, without having to leave the Apple ecosystem. It is a huge, glaring flaw in their ecosystem if I can't do that.
oldmanjay 11y ago
You say this like Apple is somehow precluded from upgrading the hardware when 4K TVs hit a market penetration that matters.
- t0mbstone 11y ago
  And make me pay another $200 for functionality that the damn thing should have had initially?
  - oldmanjay 11y ago
    Well, no one can make you buy an Apple TV that doesn't have the features you want, so I feel like maybe you look at the world a little differently than it actually works. Given that, there's not much more I have to contribute.

elif 11y ago

I agree. I paid $600 for my 52 inch 4K... and it's not a cheap Chinese one, it's a samsung smart tv with native streaming, voice command, and multi-axis remote.. They are going to miss the boat if 4k explodes this black friday.

rsynnott 11y ago

> 4K is going to explode in the next year or two At which time they will no doubt support it. Right now it'd be an extra expense of use to very few users, and they'd have to deal with the connectivity problem.

nsxwolf 11y ago

What's the point of 4K on a TV again? So you can walk up to it and say "ooooh!", then go sit down and have it look like 1080p? Is that brief standing-too-close moment worth the massive increase in bandwidth required?

t0mbstone 11y ago
Watch 4K content on a 75 inch screen, then play 1080p content on that same screen. The difference in clarity is huge. The only reason you can't tell the difference is because you are probably watching 1080p content that is being upscaled. Watch TRUE 4K content on a 65+ inch television, and it's like looking through window. It's amazing.
- nsxwolf 11y ago
  At what viewing distance, though? I have a 65 inch 1080p set that I sit 12 feet from. Without my glasses, I can't tell the difference between 1080p and 480p at that distance.
  - t0mbstone 11y ago
    I sit about 10-12 feet away from my TV. It sounds like you need to get your vision checked.
  - deleted 11y ago
    [deleted]

a_c_s 11y ago

People don't buy TV's that often: 5 years after release HD TV penetration was only 3%. It took 15 years to reach 81%. 4K TV's aren't going to "explode", they are going to continue to be a slow trickle. http://www.rethinkresearch.biz/articles/15-years-after-launch-hdtv-penetration-hits-81-in-us-homes/ http://www.rethinkresearch.biz/articles/15-years-after-launc...

tdkl 11y ago

The whole reason the 4K bandwagon exist is to push people to replace their whole media hardware stack again. They tried with 3D, but that flopped, so apparently more pixels are needed, so you can see the media with more clarity from the sofa (where there's basically no difference because of the distance). Similar as pushing 2k/4k screens to mobile phones - marketing and sales.

t0mbstone 11y ago
I have 20/30 vision (slightly blurry), and I can ABSOLUTELY tell the difference between normal HD and Ultra HD, from 10 feet away. Anyone who can't is either partially blind, or is lying.
- tdkl 11y ago
  http://www.rtings.com/images/resolution-4k-ultra-hd-chart.png http://www.rtings.com/images/resolution-4k-ultra-hd-chart.pn... Source: http://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/4k-ultra-hd-uhd-vs-1080p-full-hd-tvs-and-upscaling-compared http://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/4k-ultra-hd-uhd-vs-1080p-full...
- rsynnott 11y ago
  I assume you're using a very big TV. I'm currently looking at a ~38" TV from about 10 feet away, and can't see the pixels on the 720p content from my 2010 AppleTV. >60" TVs are a thing, but they're a serious niche, especially outside the U.S., where homes tend to be smaller. Apple would simply be adding cost to work for the tiny amount of the market who both want a really huge TV, and happen to have gotten a 4k one, and they'd probably have to release a hardware revision or so anyway in a year or so she the connectivity issues around 4k resolve themselves.

ians 11y ago

And if 4k does explode in a year or two couldn't Apple do a hardware update for the AppleTV in that time?

t0mbstone 11y ago
Sure, which would mean that users would have to spend ANOTHER $200 for the version of the Apple TV that supported 4k. I mean, aren't they are supposed to be releasing cutting edge technology here? Why are they releasing a set top Apple TV that can't even display the content that the new iPhone and iPad can CREATE and edit? I want to be able to record 4K videos on my iPhone, then turn around and play them on my 4K TV, without having to leave the Apple ecosystem. It is a huge, glaring flaw in their ecosystem if I can't do that.

oldmanjay 11y ago

You say this like Apple is somehow precluded from upgrading the hardware when 4K TVs hit a market penetration that matters.

t0mbstone 11y ago
And make me pay another $200 for functionality that the damn thing should have had initially?
- oldmanjay 11y ago
  Well, no one can make you buy an Apple TV that doesn't have the features you want, so I feel like maybe you look at the world a little differently than it actually works. Given that, there's not much more I have to contribute.