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> For a device at that size, weight, and cost you would be better served buying an Macbook Air For a device at that size, weight, and cost you would be better

> For a device at that size, weight, and cost you would be better served buying an Macbook Air For a device at that size, weight, and cost you would be better served buying a Macbook Air. Apple has dozens of devices for dozens of use cases and types of buyers. I would never use the new MacBook (not good enough specs), and most of HN thinks it's a terrible idea. But my wife loves it. She doesn't need to run a virtual machine or plug in i/o devices or use 16GB of RAM, and it helps her do what she does better than ever. If you look at Apple keynotes through the lens of, "Will this product change my life?" you'll likely be frequently disappointed - they're building products for a wide spectrum of users. But every now and then, they'll likely absolutely nail what you need. If you buy a Macbook Pro when you need a laptop, it doesn't matter if the Macbook Air isn't for you. Apple still wins.

bobbles 11y ago
Yeah I can't wait for this guy to go buy his macbook air and start doing all his fancy graphic design on its non-touch non-retina screen. Obviously the same use cases for both products!
- 72deluxe 11y ago
  Perhaps there is a market for a stylus/pen for touchpads?
- bigtunacan 11y ago
  I do all of my graphic design work on Macbook Pro. For certain tasks the mouse is well suited, for others a Wacom tablet or Wacom screen works wonders. The tablet form factor (with a larger screen) does offer a compelling use case for drawing and other art, but in general the tools available are inferior to software available for Mac OSX and Windows. This is where the Surface makes a lot of sense since I can draw/design on the go while having access to best in class software. I'm not a Windows user, but it is for this very reason that I keep thinking of buying a Surface; it's gotten some great reviews from other artists/designers. I also find it discouraging that Apple has introduced their "revolutionary" new Pencil at a $100 price point, but I can't find specs anywhere, and I know I can buy the Wacom Creative Stylus 2 for less money and it has 2048 pressure level sensitivity. Without published specifications it leaves me wondering if the Apple Pencil is less product for more money.
chronic41 11y ago
No, Apple does not win. That's the point. He is saying (which I agree with) that Apple's products are mediocre in just about every use case.
KeytarHero 11y ago
I see this attitude of "I don't like this product that was never meant for my use case, therefore nobody else will want it either" a lot among tech people, and HN is no exception. Just look at yesterday's comments on the Raspberry Pi touch screen [1]. Or really, the comments on almost any large consumer-oriented product launch. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10184510 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10184510
- bigtunacan 11y ago
  Just as often I see this "among tech people" type of attitude thrown around as if we are somehow a totally different class of people who don't think about anything outside of compilers and caching optimizations. We have lives outside of work that also helps informs our opinions on these things.
mamon 11y ago
>For a device at that size, weight, and cost you would be better served buying an Macbook Air You would, provided that MacBook Air had convertible screen (like Lenovo Yoga)

bobbles 11y ago

Yeah I can't wait for this guy to go buy his macbook air and start doing all his fancy graphic design on its non-touch non-retina screen. Obviously the same use cases for both products!

72deluxe 11y ago
Perhaps there is a market for a stylus/pen for touchpads?
bigtunacan 11y ago
I do all of my graphic design work on Macbook Pro. For certain tasks the mouse is well suited, for others a Wacom tablet or Wacom screen works wonders. The tablet form factor (with a larger screen) does offer a compelling use case for drawing and other art, but in general the tools available are inferior to software available for Mac OSX and Windows. This is where the Surface makes a lot of sense since I can draw/design on the go while having access to best in class software. I'm not a Windows user, but it is for this very reason that I keep thinking of buying a Surface; it's gotten some great reviews from other artists/designers. I also find it discouraging that Apple has introduced their "revolutionary" new Pencil at a $100 price point, but I can't find specs anywhere, and I know I can buy the Wacom Creative Stylus 2 for less money and it has 2048 pressure level sensitivity. Without published specifications it leaves me wondering if the Apple Pencil is less product for more money.

chronic41 11y ago

No, Apple does not win. That's the point. He is saying (which I agree with) that Apple's products are mediocre in just about every use case.

KeytarHero 11y ago

I see this attitude of "I don't like this product that was never meant for my use case, therefore nobody else will want it either" a lot among tech people, and HN is no exception. Just look at yesterday's comments on the Raspberry Pi touch screen [1]. Or really, the comments on almost any large consumer-oriented product launch. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10184510 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10184510

bigtunacan 11y ago
Just as often I see this "among tech people" type of attitude thrown around as if we are somehow a totally different class of people who don't think about anything outside of compilers and caching optimizations. We have lives outside of work that also helps informs our opinions on these things.

mamon 11y ago

>For a device at that size, weight, and cost you would be better served buying an Macbook Air You would, provided that MacBook Air had convertible screen (like Lenovo Yoga)