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I don't understand the allure of a "pro" iPad. Wouldn't you just want a laptop then? The keyboard is (at least for me) the fastest accurate text input device

I don't understand the allure of a "pro" iPad. Wouldn't you just want a laptop then? The keyboard is (at least for me) the fastest accurate text input device ever invented. It's the main reason I type everything instead of write it by hand.

SyneRyder 11y ago
Most of the input they've been showing is drawing and using the stylus. It might not be ideal for programming or writing, but this is going to be ideal for artists, photographers and anyone who wanted a 13" Cintiq.
- hodwik 11y ago
  > "this is going to be ideal for artists, photographers and anyone who wanted a 13" Cintiq" No, a 13" Cintiq is perfect for artists, & photographers who need a 13" Cintiq. This is perfect for anyone who has no idea what they're doing.
  - comex 11y ago
    This is much more portable (since you don't have to attach it to a computer - you can carry it around like a paper notebook), has a significantly higher resolution display, and is not much more expensive (especially considering the difference in internals).
    - hodwik 11y ago
      There is not a chance in hell this thing is coming anywhere near the Cintiq's 2,048 pressure levels. The Surface Pro 3, for example, clocks in at about 256 levels. Good enough for note taking, not good enough for any serious graphics workflow. Even Wacom's $99.00 "Inkling" clocks in at 1,248 levels. The only serious competitor against Wacom that I have seen is "Huion" out of Shenzhen.
- rodgerd 11y ago
  Those people have a Surface and run Photoshop, Illustrator, Manga Pro, and other software not available for iOS.
  - rdsnsca 11y ago
    You did see the Adobe demo? They are bring a new lineup of creative software to the iPad Pro this October.
rimantas 11y ago
Do you draw with your keyboard too? Retouch photos with your keyboard? Your laptop comes with 5million pixels?
- Xcelerate 11y ago
  > Your laptop comes with 5 million pixels? Yeah, actually
dragonwriter 11y ago
> I don't understand the allure of a "pro" iPad. Wouldn't you just want a laptop then? A 12" class tablet with a keyboard case is, I find (I use a Galaxy Note Pro 12.2), a very good reading platform (better than a laptop, since you can use it like a tablet without the keyboard getting in the way) as well as a decent laptop substitute for lots of uses. Its not as good as a laptop for all uses -- and I still do use a laptop -- but its pretty much the sweet spot for me for tablets.
- x0x0 11y ago
  I love my ipad for reading books and papers. But I find it too small to take notes with a stylus. Obviously there's a tight tradeoff between what's comfortable to hold on the couch/train/bed and is portable enough yet big enough, but I think I'd like to try the large ipad. It could be big enough to make note taking pleasant. Also, I think apple has a problem in that they've essentially exhausted mass market products, ie products everyone wants. Does this ipad fill a hole in their lineup? I think so. But people get disappointed if apple doesn't sell a million of each widget a quarter. Even look at the ipad business as a whole; I think most companies not apple would be very happy to have such a lucrative product. It's just when you compare it to iphones, the most successful consumer product of the last 20 years, that it is lacking.
gdubs 11y ago
Artists and musicians will probably feel differently.
aianus 11y ago
I wish this thing existed when I was studying math in school. It's not practical to do math with a keyboard.
- Someone1234 11y ago
  I'm fairly sure mice existed, as well as touch devices with pens. Given that the former is over 25 years old and the latter is at least fifteen years old.
- Xcelerate 11y ago
  Good point. I had forgotten about that. Math is one of the few things I still use a pencil and paper for.
- Tenobrus 11y ago
  I've found LaTeX pretty practical. Not quite as easy as handwriting, but practical enough. Once I got enough practice I have access to the documents everywhere, don't have to worry about my horrible handwriting, and can copy-paste equations into Wolfram Alpha to check correctness. An editor with customizable key commands helps too. Took me about two months to get fast enough, but now I use LaTeX for basically all note taking and homework.

SyneRyder 11y ago

Most of the input they've been showing is drawing and using the stylus. It might not be ideal for programming or writing, but this is going to be ideal for artists, photographers and anyone who wanted a 13" Cintiq.

hodwik 11y ago
> "this is going to be ideal for artists, photographers and anyone who wanted a 13" Cintiq" No, a 13" Cintiq is perfect for artists, & photographers who need a 13" Cintiq. This is perfect for anyone who has no idea what they're doing.
- comex 11y ago
  This is much more portable (since you don't have to attach it to a computer - you can carry it around like a paper notebook), has a significantly higher resolution display, and is not much more expensive (especially considering the difference in internals).
  - hodwik 11y ago
    There is not a chance in hell this thing is coming anywhere near the Cintiq's 2,048 pressure levels. The Surface Pro 3, for example, clocks in at about 256 levels. Good enough for note taking, not good enough for any serious graphics workflow. Even Wacom's $99.00 "Inkling" clocks in at 1,248 levels. The only serious competitor against Wacom that I have seen is "Huion" out of Shenzhen.
rodgerd 11y ago
Those people have a Surface and run Photoshop, Illustrator, Manga Pro, and other software not available for iOS.
- rdsnsca 11y ago
  You did see the Adobe demo? They are bring a new lineup of creative software to the iPad Pro this October.

rimantas 11y ago

Do you draw with your keyboard too? Retouch photos with your keyboard? Your laptop comes with 5million pixels?

Xcelerate 11y ago
> Your laptop comes with 5 million pixels? Yeah, actually

dragonwriter 11y ago

> I don't understand the allure of a "pro" iPad. Wouldn't you just want a laptop then? A 12" class tablet with a keyboard case is, I find (I use a Galaxy Note Pro 12.2), a very good reading platform (better than a laptop, since you can use it like a tablet without the keyboard getting in the way) as well as a decent laptop substitute for lots of uses. Its not as good as a laptop for all uses -- and I still do use a laptop -- but its pretty much the sweet spot for me for tablets.

x0x0 11y ago
I love my ipad for reading books and papers. But I find it too small to take notes with a stylus. Obviously there's a tight tradeoff between what's comfortable to hold on the couch/train/bed and is portable enough yet big enough, but I think I'd like to try the large ipad. It could be big enough to make note taking pleasant. Also, I think apple has a problem in that they've essentially exhausted mass market products, ie products everyone wants. Does this ipad fill a hole in their lineup? I think so. But people get disappointed if apple doesn't sell a million of each widget a quarter. Even look at the ipad business as a whole; I think most companies not apple would be very happy to have such a lucrative product. It's just when you compare it to iphones, the most successful consumer product of the last 20 years, that it is lacking.

gdubs 11y ago

Artists and musicians will probably feel differently.

aianus 11y ago

I wish this thing existed when I was studying math in school. It's not practical to do math with a keyboard.

Someone1234 11y ago
I'm fairly sure mice existed, as well as touch devices with pens. Given that the former is over 25 years old and the latter is at least fifteen years old.
Xcelerate 11y ago
Good point. I had forgotten about that. Math is one of the few things I still use a pencil and paper for.
Tenobrus 11y ago
I've found LaTeX pretty practical. Not quite as easy as handwriting, but practical enough. Once I got enough practice I have access to the documents everywhere, don't have to worry about my horrible handwriting, and can copy-paste equations into Wolfram Alpha to check correctness. An editor with customizable key commands helps too. Took me about two months to get fast enough, but now I use LaTeX for basically all note taking and homework.