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Later edit. It's iOS for fuck sake. It's ridiculous to compare iOS with full Windows. A keyboard is not that useful in a TOUCH based OS.

rimantas 11y ago
Care to explain, why do you have multitasking in quotes? You think iOS is some version of DOS?
- bcoates 11y ago
  It's literally not a general purpose computer, you can't compile and execute code on it. DOS at least came with an assembler-debugger and a linker.
  - gress 11y ago
    This is flatly false. There are numerous programming environments available on iOS, and it has the JavaScript environment with the most advanced available JIT built in.
    - striking 11y ago
      Wrong. https://www.bignerdranch.com/blog/javascriptcore-example/ https://www.bignerdranch.com/blog/javascriptcore-example/ JavaScriptCore is what Apple uses for built in JS evaluation, and V8 can't be implemented due to lack of execution of code from user-writable memory. JSC most definitely does not have the "most advanced available JIT."
      - comex 11y ago
        Depends on the benchmark. It's certainly competitive. For example: http://arewefastyet.com/#machine=29 http://arewefastyet.com/#machine=29
        striking 11y ago
        Right, it's competitive... But being competitive and "most advanced", to me, are two different things. Not knocking Safari's performance, the battery life you get from it kicks butt. Still, different. (Also, wow. Comex replied to me. Very cool.)
        comex 11y ago
        I mean, there's definitely a good argument that V8 is most advanced, but, for example, JSC is the only one that has the LLVM 'fourth tier', and it shows on asm.js benchmarks, where it mostly beats V8 (loses to Firefox, but that has asm.js-specific code while the others don't): http://arewefastyet.com/#machine=29&view=breakdown&suite=asmjs-apps http://arewefastyet.com/#machine=29&view=breakdown&suite=asm... So I think the question of "most advanced" is basically subjective. Don't get me wrong! I would strongly prefer if iOS allowed any JIT to be used. I just think calling the one that can be used "most advanced" is not wrong per se.
        striking 11y ago
        Well said. Thanks for the insight.
  - rimantas 11y ago
    How many of iPad users even know what "compile" means? Why not forget that world does not spin around developers once in a while?
    - ZanyProgrammer 11y ago
      Because its called the iPad Pro?
      - X-Istence 11y ago
        And the only Pro users are going to be developers/programmers, right? How about my doctor while he visits patients, or my dentist to show me my X-rays easily, or the automative tech that plugs in an OBDII module and instantly sees information on the large screen... Those people are professionals, and that is what this is geared towards, not just developers.
        ZanyProgrammer 11y ago
        Actually I don't think the iPad Pro (or any iOS device) is geared towards programmers.
        photosinensis 11y ago
        It'd be nice if they remembered us. We seem to be the only creative types not being targeted here. And yes, I'd actually consider it for a few purposes.. No, don't ship the SDK by default. Make it so that it only runs locally-compiled binaries. That's okay. But I'd like the ability to use this for real work that I do. Everybody else gets to work on it, after all.
        tlholaday 11y ago
        > the ability to use this for [programming] Install Parallels Access on your iPad Pro and your desktop compile engine (iMac? Mac Pro? Mac Mini? MacBook?).
  - tdicola 11y ago
    You can use XCode on any Mac and compile and upload apps to your iPad just fine. No need for a $99 developer account anymore too. There are plenty of programming apps in the app store too if you just want like a Python, Javascript, etc. shell to mess around in too.
    - adamnemecek 11y ago
      but you can't compile code on the device itself which is kind of a big deal
  - rsynnott 11y ago
    What version of DOS was this? I seem to remember MASM being a rather expensive piece of software which didn't ship with DOS.
    - mappu 11y ago
      It came with DEBUG for an assembler. I can't back up the linker statement.
- oblio 11y ago
  Can I open a game on iOS and let it play? Say I want to idle in Clicker Heroes while I browse the net. Can it do that? Without jail-breaking it?
  - Nicholas_C 11y ago
    Or play YouTube without having the app open.
urda 11y ago
- How is it gimped? - Why do you have multitasking in quotes? You're going to need to work a bit more on your comments here, you can't just expect a full Anti-Apple thread to do well with zero sources or information. > Later edit. You completely re-write your comment and downvote me? Fantastic.
- icebraining 11y ago
  Parent can't actually downvote you (just as you can't downvote this post), FYI.
dragonwriter 11y ago
> Later edit. It's iOS for fuck sake. It's ridiculous to compare iOS with full Windows. A keyboard is not that useful in a TOUCH based OS. I've found a keyboard really useful with my Samsung Galaxy Note Pro 12.2 (Android). I don't see why it wouldn't be with iOS. Heck, I find the keyboard on my Windows (originally 8, then 8.1, now 10), touch-enabled laptop quite useful too. The fact that an OS -- and the screen you use with it -- supports touch interaction doesn't suddenly mean that the device can't be used with a keyboard for the kind of things where keyboard interaction is useful.

rimantas 11y ago

Care to explain, why do you have multitasking in quotes? You think iOS is some version of DOS?

bcoates 11y ago
It's literally not a general purpose computer, you can't compile and execute code on it. DOS at least came with an assembler-debugger and a linker.
- gress 11y ago
  This is flatly false. There are numerous programming environments available on iOS, and it has the JavaScript environment with the most advanced available JIT built in.
  - striking 11y ago
    Wrong. https://www.bignerdranch.com/blog/javascriptcore-example/ https://www.bignerdranch.com/blog/javascriptcore-example/ JavaScriptCore is what Apple uses for built in JS evaluation, and V8 can't be implemented due to lack of execution of code from user-writable memory. JSC most definitely does not have the "most advanced available JIT."
    - comex 11y ago
      Depends on the benchmark. It's certainly competitive. For example: http://arewefastyet.com/#machine=29 http://arewefastyet.com/#machine=29
      - striking 11y ago
        Right, it's competitive... But being competitive and "most advanced", to me, are two different things. Not knocking Safari's performance, the battery life you get from it kicks butt. Still, different. (Also, wow. Comex replied to me. Very cool.)
        comex 11y ago
        I mean, there's definitely a good argument that V8 is most advanced, but, for example, JSC is the only one that has the LLVM 'fourth tier', and it shows on asm.js benchmarks, where it mostly beats V8 (loses to Firefox, but that has asm.js-specific code while the others don't): http://arewefastyet.com/#machine=29&view=breakdown&suite=asmjs-apps http://arewefastyet.com/#machine=29&view=breakdown&suite=asm... So I think the question of "most advanced" is basically subjective. Don't get me wrong! I would strongly prefer if iOS allowed any JIT to be used. I just think calling the one that can be used "most advanced" is not wrong per se.
        striking 11y ago
        Well said. Thanks for the insight.
- rimantas 11y ago
  How many of iPad users even know what "compile" means? Why not forget that world does not spin around developers once in a while?
  - ZanyProgrammer 11y ago
    Because its called the iPad Pro?
    - X-Istence 11y ago
      And the only Pro users are going to be developers/programmers, right? How about my doctor while he visits patients, or my dentist to show me my X-rays easily, or the automative tech that plugs in an OBDII module and instantly sees information on the large screen... Those people are professionals, and that is what this is geared towards, not just developers.
      - ZanyProgrammer 11y ago
        Actually I don't think the iPad Pro (or any iOS device) is geared towards programmers.
      - photosinensis 11y ago
        It'd be nice if they remembered us. We seem to be the only creative types not being targeted here. And yes, I'd actually consider it for a few purposes.. No, don't ship the SDK by default. Make it so that it only runs locally-compiled binaries. That's okay. But I'd like the ability to use this for real work that I do. Everybody else gets to work on it, after all.
        tlholaday 11y ago
        > the ability to use this for [programming] Install Parallels Access on your iPad Pro and your desktop compile engine (iMac? Mac Pro? Mac Mini? MacBook?).
- tdicola 11y ago
  You can use XCode on any Mac and compile and upload apps to your iPad just fine. No need for a $99 developer account anymore too. There are plenty of programming apps in the app store too if you just want like a Python, Javascript, etc. shell to mess around in too.
  - adamnemecek 11y ago
    but you can't compile code on the device itself which is kind of a big deal
- rsynnott 11y ago
  What version of DOS was this? I seem to remember MASM being a rather expensive piece of software which didn't ship with DOS.
  - mappu 11y ago
    It came with DEBUG for an assembler. I can't back up the linker statement.
oblio 11y ago
Can I open a game on iOS and let it play? Say I want to idle in Clicker Heroes while I browse the net. Can it do that? Without jail-breaking it?
- Nicholas_C 11y ago
  Or play YouTube without having the app open.

urda 11y ago

- How is it gimped? - Why do you have multitasking in quotes? You're going to need to work a bit more on your comments here, you can't just expect a full Anti-Apple thread to do well with zero sources or information. > Later edit. You completely re-write your comment and downvote me? Fantastic.

icebraining 11y ago
Parent can't actually downvote you (just as you can't downvote this post), FYI.

dragonwriter 11y ago

> Later edit. It's iOS for fuck sake. It's ridiculous to compare iOS with full Windows. A keyboard is not that useful in a TOUCH based OS. I've found a keyboard really useful with my Samsung Galaxy Note Pro 12.2 (Android). I don't see why it wouldn't be with iOS. Heck, I find the keyboard on my Windows (originally 8, then 8.1, now 10), touch-enabled laptop quite useful too. The fact that an OS -- and the screen you use with it -- supports touch interaction doesn't suddenly mean that the device can't be used with a keyboard for the kind of things where keyboard interaction is useful.