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> "Chef’s business is growing exponentially with annual recurring revenue growth accelerating as the company scales" Makes me wonder why they needed the money.

• Maro 11y ago
  It says: - they want to hire more senior managers - they want to open offices outside the US (and maybe sales ppl) - they want to hire more engineers to work on the product I don't specifically know why they raised, but often it's because, although revenue is growing, so is spending. So if you make (say) $30M per year, that's great, but you're probably spending $30-35M per year. So money in the bank (from all previous rounds) is usually less than a year's worth of revenue/spending. That's not so safe, come an economic downturn (or your growth flatlines), you're caught with your pants down. (Note that this actually assumes a fairly successful startup with revenue in the same ballpark as spending.) So companies raise more money for protection. It makes sense for them if they're growing, because they can get it for "cheap". Cheap means they can sell the VCs on future growth (high valuation), so they have to give up a relatively low % of the company in return for the safety net of having money in the bank.
• tptacek 11y ago
  This question, every late-series VC round. I think the answer is: They ostensibly don't need the money, but they've built a machine that takes a nickel and spits out a dime, and so the more nickels they can get their hands on, the more money they'll make.
  • dave_sullivan 11y ago
    But what are they going to do with all those dimes when they run out of nickels? Seriously though, it does seem to be possible to buy revenue, buying profit is another matter. I suspect these companies are all hemorrhaging cash--while they can show strong revenue growth (btw is that growth linear or better with the amount of money invested? i doubt it), they still need the money to stay in business and support all the contracts they're closing. Also, interesting relationship between money and terms. The more money you get, the worse the terms. The argument of "raise money while it's cheap" (IE, because you get better terms) works for what facebook in '07 when they got $240M for 1.6% from MSFT. For most of these big fundraising rounds though, that money is not cheap.
    • hayd 11y ago
      The trick is not to run out of nickels. To me this looks like a ramp up before an IPO: beef up the books and cash out.
    • tptacek 11y ago
      I don't follow this comment at all. What does this have to do with profit and revenue? If I am profitably selling something direct in Chicago, and I have the choice of waiting for enough profits to accumulate to light up an NYC sales office, or I can take $5MM and light up NYC, SF, Atlanta, and London, then I am in fact in a position to "buy profits". Similarly, if I'm doing mass-market promotion limited by budget and have a cost of customer acquisition that's far lower than my customer LTV, I can slowly accumulate enough proceeds from my business to gradually increase my marketing spend, or I can take $5MM to go nuts with it. Again: so long as the metrics stay steady, I am "buying profits". It's not a mystery. There's no law that says that straightforward things you do with VC money can't generate profits. In fact, the premise is the opposite.
      • dave_sullivan 11y ago
        Sure, I can be more specific. First I was suggesting that the money printing machine you allude to will sooner or later get too big to support its weight, at which point you'll be left with a bunch of dimes (or rather, companies that need to raise more to live but can't). I also suggested that the popular narrative of "raise a huge round because money is cheap" is misleading and founders in these large rounds are actually giving up large amounts of control. That's more a general, purely anecdotal observation. My point re: buying revenue but not profits... I think I'm more saying "More money will not make your business more profitable. But it can help book sales." If your metrics all work and you really are a profitable business already, that may be be made more scalable by more money. But if you're unprofitable, even accounting for "growth mode", more money isn't going to improve that by itself. My personal opinion is that many companies are showing impressive revenue growth but glossing over core profitability, and these companies will have a tough time fixing that.
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• segmondy 11y ago
  I was wondering the same too, they raised ~$30 mil for Series D, then now ~$40mil for E. I can understand if they raised $100mil or something huge. Makes me wonder what their cash situation is and if they are going to be going for more rounds, at some points, the VC's will try to get their money back. What will that mean for Chef?
  • patio11 11y ago
    Important for HNers who don't understand this already to internalize this: "VCs will try to get their money back" by selling the company, not by taking money out of the company. Once you're talking about these sums of money, the odds-on form the sale needs to take is an IPO. Assuming a company continues to grow quickly and looks like it has a good shot of IPOing in the forseeable future, there is no sum imaginable of money which cannot be found for it. (That is a risk factor for every startup on the IPO path, because nobody grows forever and each additional financing round dilutes you more, but $100 million is not, in the grand scheme of things, an impossibly huge amount of money to use to build a software business.)
    • wspeirs 11y ago
      Yea, part of me wondered if they took on this money to help go IPO...