This book gets cited a lot in such discussions, so I usually just respond by linking some of my previous comments that address it and related works :-) https:

This book gets cited a lot in such discussions, so I usually just respond by linking some of my previous comments that address it and related works :-) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7890441 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7890441 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8157206 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8157206