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With IPNS, which allows the creation of links whose destination can be mutated by whoever has the private key, you can implement quite a lot of interactivity. Y

by adrusi 11y ago

With IPNS, which allows the creation of links whose destination can be mutated by whoever has the private key, you can implement quite a lot of interactivity. You won't ever be able to implement facebook over this platform, but you can replicate all of its functionality by using a tumblog-like architecture. Facebook's design is inherently centralized, and therefore doesn't really fit into the world of IPFS. The idea is that every user owns their own content, not some central organization. Every user maintains a log of all of their actions, like an RSS feed. Every time they make a status update, that's an item. When they comment on someone else's status update, that's an item. Even when they just like something, it's an item. Each update of the action log would also have send ping to all friends, over some kind of distributed IM like tox. They already need an IM connection like that for messenger. Given that information alone, anyone can reconstruct the activity of all their friends into a news feed, and post new content. You'd need a lot of client-side leverage, and the ability to upload to the IPFS network from the client, but all the dynamic information is there. And there you have a fully distributed facebook clone. More resilient and privacy-sensitive and monopoly-averse than even tools like diaspora and statusnet.

_mhr_ 11y ago
How does friend recommendation work in a decentralized model?
- comex 11y ago
  Isn't friend recommendation mostly stuff like "people who follow you/you follow also follow X"? Maybe going one or two more follow hops, but not so far out that you need a global view of the social graph. If users of a decentralized network publish their following and follower lists, it should be pretty easy for a local crawler to check those hops.
- wisty 11y ago
  You have friends. A script can check your friends, and make suggestions based on that. You won't have the full graph that Facebook does, but does that really matter? I suspect the best predictors of who your friends are would be people already in your network.
colordrops 11y ago
> Facebook's design is inherently centralized Not really. There's no reason you couldn't implement Facebook's core functionality with personal servers containing a profile at each node and a pub/sub (or even just pull) system connecting each node with its friends.
- mintplant 11y ago
  So, diaspora*? https://diasporafoundation.org/ https://diasporafoundation.org/ Unfortunately it never really caught on.
  - colordrops 11y ago
    Yes, I believe diaspora was a social network of this sort. But it's just one example, and not an indictment of decentralized social networking in general. Your address book + SMTP is a decentralized social network that caught on just fine. The only difference is that it was designed and built before corporate interests were the driving forces behind new standards (or lack thereof).
- junto 11y ago
  Actually, this is exactly what I'm looking for. I want to be able to control my photos and other content, and share that with family and friends. All data is encrypted and my server can be hosted anywhere (just as simple as setting up a WordPress instance). My own "news feed" are a combination of all of the other nodes I'm subscribed to. My problem with Disapora is that they push the "sign up to someone else's pod" rather than "install your personal pod". It just feels like a multi-centralised model. Rather than one Facebook with my data, now there are 311 "Facebookesque" Diaspora Pods (as of today). As much as people hate the idea, a WordPress like (PHP) application as a "personal server" would be successful. There are lots of hosting companies out there where you can get up and running for peanuts. My aim would be for a simple install: - Download software and upload to hosting company - Enter MySQL auth details - Choose local filesystem or third party (S3, DropBox, Google Drive, MS SkyDrive) with OAuth as the backing store (files stored encrypted). - Finish Then I would be able to subscribe to other friends and family personal servers, just like RSS feeds. Friends can access my own personal server through OAuth and leave comments on content. Those comments are echoed back in my private feed which is displayed in their merged news feed on their own app instance. The technology is already there. It just needs someone who is damn good with PHP!
chipsy 11y ago
I'm thinking about the discovery problem and how this relates to distributed technology now. File storage looks solved but creating content relationships like lists of similar files sounds much harder and still reliant on a authority that curates and filters the spam. Lost data in IPFS will be "buried treasure" in that nobody has the link to it anymore, but it still exists in a literal sense. Interesting to think about.
- david_ar 11y ago
  There are plans for a (distributed) search engine: https://github.com/ipfs/archives/issues/8 https://github.com/ipfs/archives/issues/8
collinmanderson 11y ago
A few questions about IPNS: - Is it possible to, say, log into my bank account, see my current balance, and set up bill pay? - Can I order a pizza over IPNS? - Can I do realtime chat? Also, this article says we could use Namecoin and not rely on ICANN for DNS, however, you still need ICANN to distribute ip address to get connected to the internet in the first place. Or am I missing something?
- reit 11y ago
  1) 2) 3), yes, it is still possible to directly connect to specific peers through IPFS, see http://gateway.ipfs.io/ipfs/QmTkzDwWqPbnAh5YiV5VwcTLnGdwSNsNTn2aDxdXBFca7D/example#/ipfs/QmThrNbvLj7afQZhxH72m5Nn1qiVn3eMKWFYV49Zp2mv9B/api/service/readme.md http://gateway.ipfs.io/ipfs/QmTkzDwWqPbnAh5YiV5VwcTLnGdwSNsN... I think that it should be possible to build hybrid centralized/decentralized sites with IPFS, with static public content being fully decentralized and sensitive information going through direct tunnels. Of course, the more decentralized your system the better. As far as the IP system, yes we are unfortunately still reliant on ICANN being sensible about IP allocations, but the DNS system can be fully deprecated. I do know that there is a project out there to redo the IP system in a decentralized fashion but I can't recall its name right now.
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  - cel 11y ago
    > project out there to redo the IP system in a decentralized fashion https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns
    - reit 11y ago
      That's the one. Juan mentioned it in one of his talks, said that it would be possible for IPFS to sit on top of that and use it as the network layer.
- adrusi 11y ago

by adrusi 11y ago

_mhr_ 11y ago

How does friend recommendation work in a decentralized model?

comex 11y ago
Isn't friend recommendation mostly stuff like "people who follow you/you follow also follow X"? Maybe going one or two more follow hops, but not so far out that you need a global view of the social graph. If users of a decentralized network publish their following and follower lists, it should be pretty easy for a local crawler to check those hops.
wisty 11y ago
You have friends. A script can check your friends, and make suggestions based on that. You won't have the full graph that Facebook does, but does that really matter? I suspect the best predictors of who your friends are would be people already in your network.

colordrops 11y ago

> Facebook's design is inherently centralized Not really. There's no reason you couldn't implement Facebook's core functionality with personal servers containing a profile at each node and a pub/sub (or even just pull) system connecting each node with its friends.

mintplant 11y ago
So, diaspora*? https://diasporafoundation.org/ https://diasporafoundation.org/ Unfortunately it never really caught on.
- colordrops 11y ago
  Yes, I believe diaspora was a social network of this sort. But it's just one example, and not an indictment of decentralized social networking in general. Your address book + SMTP is a decentralized social network that caught on just fine. The only difference is that it was designed and built before corporate interests were the driving forces behind new standards (or lack thereof).
junto 11y ago
Actually, this is exactly what I'm looking for. I want to be able to control my photos and other content, and share that with family and friends. All data is encrypted and my server can be hosted anywhere (just as simple as setting up a WordPress instance). My own "news feed" are a combination of all of the other nodes I'm subscribed to. My problem with Disapora is that they push the "sign up to someone else's pod" rather than "install your personal pod". It just feels like a multi-centralised model. Rather than one Facebook with my data, now there are 311 "Facebookesque" Diaspora Pods (as of today). As much as people hate the idea, a WordPress like (PHP) application as a "personal server" would be successful. There are lots of hosting companies out there where you can get up and running for peanuts. My aim would be for a simple install: - Download software and upload to hosting company - Enter MySQL auth details - Choose local filesystem or third party (S3, DropBox, Google Drive, MS SkyDrive) with OAuth as the backing store (files stored encrypted). - Finish Then I would be able to subscribe to other friends and family personal servers, just like RSS feeds. Friends can access my own personal server through OAuth and leave comments on content. Those comments are echoed back in my private feed which is displayed in their merged news feed on their own app instance. The technology is already there. It just needs someone who is damn good with PHP!

chipsy 11y ago

I'm thinking about the discovery problem and how this relates to distributed technology now. File storage looks solved but creating content relationships like lists of similar files sounds much harder and still reliant on a authority that curates and filters the spam. Lost data in IPFS will be "buried treasure" in that nobody has the link to it anymore, but it still exists in a literal sense. Interesting to think about.

david_ar 11y ago
There are plans for a (distributed) search engine: https://github.com/ipfs/archives/issues/8 https://github.com/ipfs/archives/issues/8

collinmanderson 11y ago

A few questions about IPNS: - Is it possible to, say, log into my bank account, see my current balance, and set up bill pay? - Can I order a pizza over IPNS? - Can I do realtime chat? Also, this article says we could use Namecoin and not rely on ICANN for DNS, however, you still need ICANN to distribute ip address to get connected to the internet in the first place. Or am I missing something?

reit 11y ago
1) 2) 3), yes, it is still possible to directly connect to specific peers through IPFS, see http://gateway.ipfs.io/ipfs/QmTkzDwWqPbnAh5YiV5VwcTLnGdwSNsNTn2aDxdXBFca7D/example#/ipfs/QmThrNbvLj7afQZhxH72m5Nn1qiVn3eMKWFYV49Zp2mv9B/api/service/readme.md http://gateway.ipfs.io/ipfs/QmTkzDwWqPbnAh5YiV5VwcTLnGdwSNsN... I think that it should be possible to build hybrid centralized/decentralized sites with IPFS, with static public content being fully decentralized and sensitive information going through direct tunnels. Of course, the more decentralized your system the better. As far as the IP system, yes we are unfortunately still reliant on ICANN being sensible about IP allocations, but the DNS system can be fully deprecated. I do know that there is a project out there to redo the IP system in a decentralized fashion but I can't recall its name right now.
- deleted 11y ago
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- cel 11y ago
  > project out there to redo the IP system in a decentralized fashion https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns
  - reit 11y ago
    That's the one. Juan mentioned it in one of his talks, said that it would be possible for IPFS to sit on top of that and use it as the network layer.
adrusi 11y ago