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What really puzzles me is why in the aftermath of the bombing, the Tsarnaev brothers drove round Boston for three whole days in a car registered to their home a

What really puzzles me is why in the aftermath of the bombing, the Tsarnaev brothers drove round Boston for three whole days in a car registered to their home address and only got caught after being recognized by a police officer and fellow gym member, less than a mile from the outrage. We could ask Dzhokhar Tsarnaev except, he was shot in the throat/caused a self inflicted knife wound and spent most of the trial in a drug induced haze.

hga 11y ago
I'm willing to go with "young and stupid". And you've come up with an excuse for license plate scanners; for all we know, one that since then has been used to procure such systems.
- throwaway1967 11y ago
  Stupid to drive around after detonating a bomb but smart enough to prepare and detonate a bomb? Step back a little. Pretend you don't know what the government told you about DT. Wouldn't DT's behavior, driving around for 3 days, as if he had done nothing wrong, be more in line with someone who, oh I don't know, has done nothing wrong? How stupid, honestly, do you think anyone would have to be to think that they could detonate a bomb and be safely driving around the same location, not thinking they'll get caught? Keeping in this thinking before you "knew" what the government told you, wouldn't the behavior of a government, who is seeking a patsy, precisely be to shoot that patsy in the throat, drug him, and make sure to send him the message that he is not to tread outside the narrative that is being given to them? And to top it off, please explain the metal plaque on top of the backpack: http://imgur.com/a/cRA2c#0 http://imgur.com/a/cRA2c#0 If you're prepared to judge the pictures for yourself: http://bit.ly/1NZSYWA http://bit.ly/1NZSYWA
- hga 11y ago
  Amplifying on the "stupid": It's stupid to screw around with improvised explosives, absent a really compelling need. Lots of subtle dangers, like static electricity, lots of people kill themselves trying it. It's stupid to plant them in a venue with a zillion cameras in operation. It's stupid to kill a police officer and not have the wherewithal to take his gun because of its retention holster, without even using a knife to remove it from his belt, or, hey, just undo the belt, to try harder later. It's stupid to release the guy who's car you hijacked for a while. It's stupid to attack a part of the country that's notoriously mostly on your side (in the National Lampoon's General Alexander Haig Jr. Republican Map of the World the Boston area was one of three that shared the color of the Warsaw Pact). Not to mention enrage them enough so that the jury votes for the death penalty. Etc. The were not the smartest jihadists in the drawer. Of course, plenty of the above depends on believing the Official Story, but it does paint a consistent picture. I'd add that I'm hardly resistant to government conspiracies, they just have to make sense. E.g. the immolation of the religious dissidents in Waco sure looks like it was pre-planned by a very small number of members of the FBI's Hostage "Rescue" Team. Means, motive, opportunity, all in alignment, and it could be done by a small enough group that they could keep the secret to their graves. What is the claimed alternative Boston Marathon Bombing motive here? How was it even vaguely commensurate with the consequences if discovered? What does Occam's Razor suggest? Etc.
  - throwaway1967 11y ago
    > What is the claimed alternative Boston Marathon Bombing motive here? It's part of the perennial efforts to control guns: http://www.examiner.com/article/lautenberg-introduces-gunpowder-control-legislation http://www.examiner.com/article/lautenberg-introduces-gunpow...
    - hga 11y ago
      Note, this is something I've been part of the fight against since the early '70s. To my knowledge, they scavenged flash powder etc. from fireworks, although of course they could have bought smokeless powder. Although that would very likely have looked a lot more suspicious or left a clear trail to them if by mail order, not that they were at all good at OPSEC. Ah, no other country in the world has a gun culture quite like ours, I suspect our hobby of reloading is unique. So I'll bet the on-line recipes for these pressure cooker bombs depend on fireworks, which are a nearly universal thing, and the brothers didn't think of/wanted to take a chance on substituting a smokeless powder. Not that it matters for a POS like Lautenberg, but it's also the case that anyone thinking such an event would result in real action against reloaders---almost certainly a minority of gun owners---is not well connected to reality. Not that this government didn't attempt a deadly conspiracy with this aim like Fast and Furious, or hasn't in the past with a much higher body count, Waco, but this doesn't seem to be one. If it was, why not e.g. have someone use an "assault weapon" against a crowd attending an event in a stadium (which is the beginning plot of a novel I've heard about).
      - throwaway1967 11y ago
        Hi, hga. Thanks for the very lucid response. I agree with you, this might be nothing. I'll admit I don't know what I'm talking about when I mention the "this is a drill" announcement and the Boston Globe tweet. I had heard of those things but not researched them. I did research, however, on the two unidentified individuals that I mentioned before, suspiciously not paying attention to the race and sporting big black backpacks in the shape of the bomb. I am to this day without answers as to what these two official looking people were doing. Yes, no other country is like the USA where people are free to keep guns and we intend on keeping it that way. If folks don't like it, they literally have every other country in the world as an alternative. But here, we are not the property of the government and we reserve the right to react to it. Americans used to be historical people, they understood that we shouldn't get involved in "foreign entanglements". Do you at least agree this country has been taken over by an elite intent on disarming citizens via piecemeal policy implementations? It would be interesting to hear your opinion on Sandy Hooks as well. Many politicians and law enforcement officers had to be silenced and it was a more obvious excuse to pass legislation.

hga 11y ago

I'm willing to go with "young and stupid". And you've come up with an excuse for license plate scanners; for all we know, one that since then has been used to procure such systems.

throwaway1967 11y ago
Stupid to drive around after detonating a bomb but smart enough to prepare and detonate a bomb? Step back a little. Pretend you don't know what the government told you about DT. Wouldn't DT's behavior, driving around for 3 days, as if he had done nothing wrong, be more in line with someone who, oh I don't know, has done nothing wrong? How stupid, honestly, do you think anyone would have to be to think that they could detonate a bomb and be safely driving around the same location, not thinking they'll get caught? Keeping in this thinking before you "knew" what the government told you, wouldn't the behavior of a government, who is seeking a patsy, precisely be to shoot that patsy in the throat, drug him, and make sure to send him the message that he is not to tread outside the narrative that is being given to them? And to top it off, please explain the metal plaque on top of the backpack: http://imgur.com/a/cRA2c#0 http://imgur.com/a/cRA2c#0 If you're prepared to judge the pictures for yourself: http://bit.ly/1NZSYWA http://bit.ly/1NZSYWA
hga 11y ago
Amplifying on the "stupid": It's stupid to screw around with improvised explosives, absent a really compelling need. Lots of subtle dangers, like static electricity, lots of people kill themselves trying it. It's stupid to plant them in a venue with a zillion cameras in operation. It's stupid to kill a police officer and not have the wherewithal to take his gun because of its retention holster, without even using a knife to remove it from his belt, or, hey, just undo the belt, to try harder later. It's stupid to release the guy who's car you hijacked for a while. It's stupid to attack a part of the country that's notoriously mostly on your side (in the National Lampoon's General Alexander Haig Jr. Republican Map of the World the Boston area was one of three that shared the color of the Warsaw Pact). Not to mention enrage them enough so that the jury votes for the death penalty. Etc. The were not the smartest jihadists in the drawer. Of course, plenty of the above depends on believing the Official Story, but it does paint a consistent picture. I'd add that I'm hardly resistant to government conspiracies, they just have to make sense. E.g. the immolation of the religious dissidents in Waco sure looks like it was pre-planned by a very small number of members of the FBI's Hostage "Rescue" Team. Means, motive, opportunity, all in alignment, and it could be done by a small enough group that they could keep the secret to their graves. What is the claimed alternative Boston Marathon Bombing motive here? How was it even vaguely commensurate with the consequences if discovered? What does Occam's Razor suggest? Etc.
- throwaway1967 11y ago
  > What is the claimed alternative Boston Marathon Bombing motive here? It's part of the perennial efforts to control guns: http://www.examiner.com/article/lautenberg-introduces-gunpowder-control-legislation http://www.examiner.com/article/lautenberg-introduces-gunpow...
  - hga 11y ago
    Note, this is something I've been part of the fight against since the early '70s. To my knowledge, they scavenged flash powder etc. from fireworks, although of course they could have bought smokeless powder. Although that would very likely have looked a lot more suspicious or left a clear trail to them if by mail order, not that they were at all good at OPSEC. Ah, no other country in the world has a gun culture quite like ours, I suspect our hobby of reloading is unique. So I'll bet the on-line recipes for these pressure cooker bombs depend on fireworks, which are a nearly universal thing, and the brothers didn't think of/wanted to take a chance on substituting a smokeless powder. Not that it matters for a POS like Lautenberg, but it's also the case that anyone thinking such an event would result in real action against reloaders---almost certainly a minority of gun owners---is not well connected to reality. Not that this government didn't attempt a deadly conspiracy with this aim like Fast and Furious, or hasn't in the past with a much higher body count, Waco, but this doesn't seem to be one. If it was, why not e.g. have someone use an "assault weapon" against a crowd attending an event in a stadium (which is the beginning plot of a novel I've heard about).
    - throwaway1967 11y ago
      Hi, hga. Thanks for the very lucid response. I agree with you, this might be nothing. I'll admit I don't know what I'm talking about when I mention the "this is a drill" announcement and the Boston Globe tweet. I had heard of those things but not researched them. I did research, however, on the two unidentified individuals that I mentioned before, suspiciously not paying attention to the race and sporting big black backpacks in the shape of the bomb. I am to this day without answers as to what these two official looking people were doing. Yes, no other country is like the USA where people are free to keep guns and we intend on keeping it that way. If folks don't like it, they literally have every other country in the world as an alternative. But here, we are not the property of the government and we reserve the right to react to it. Americans used to be historical people, they understood that we shouldn't get involved in "foreign entanglements". Do you at least agree this country has been taken over by an elite intent on disarming citizens via piecemeal policy implementations? It would be interesting to hear your opinion on Sandy Hooks as well. Many politicians and law enforcement officers had to be silenced and it was a more obvious excuse to pass legislation.