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Well, I don't think this is why. Diablo 3's problem is just that the story writing, and particularly the dialog writing, is extremely trite. Diablo and Diablo

Well, I don't think this is why. Diablo 3's problem is just that the story writing, and particularly the dialog writing, is extremely trite. Diablo and Diablo 2 had fairly simple but compelling stories that were dropped in at key moments. Diablo 3 is largely progressively more annoying demons telling you how unlikely you are to beat them. It just gets tiresome. That'd be true if they were separated cut scenes as in Diablo 2 or integrated dialog as in 3.

jonhohle 11y ago
I was a fan of the "Death" diplomacy in D3 /sarc. At least for the barbarian role, the solution to all problems was to murder the current antagonist, even when it seemed like the antagonizer's goal was effectively the same as the hero's; they just weren't the hero. The hero him/herself was responsible for as much or more death than any of the enemies.
- TeMPOraL 11y ago
  > The hero him/herself was responsible for as much or more death than any of the enemies. Isn't it so true about many popular stories? If you tally the body count, it often turns out that it's the protagonist who is the monster.
  - eru 11y ago
    That's why in nethack you only meet three horsemen of the apocalypse (death, famine, pestilence). The player is implied to personify war. Mildly interesting on a pacifism run.
  - qznc 11y ago
    The Sword of Good http://lesswrong.com/lw/169/the_sword_of_good/ http://lesswrong.com/lw/169/the_sword_of_good/
    - TeMPOraL 11y ago
      A great story, thanks for reminding me of it! Another interesting but little-known story by Eliezer is http://lesswrong.com/lw/y4/three_worlds_collide_08/ http://lesswrong.com/lw/y4/three_worlds_collide_08/.
  - golergka 11y ago
    In a lot of stealth games like Metal Gear series you can kill only one or two bosses through the whole game, but it's extremely difficult.
    - TeMPOraL 11y ago
      Yup. Also a lot of stealth games actually incentivize you to avoid or stun your enemies instead of killing them, whether for scoring reasons or pragmatic ones (e.g. killing is loud, or triggers a heartbeat alarm that alerts others). Star Trek: Away Team, and more recently Invisible, Inc. come to mind. I like games that give you a non-violent path. I vividly remember enjoying Mirror's Edge trying to do a zero kill playthrough. It wasn't easy, because sometimes opponent jumped at you in such moments that you could kick them out of rooftops by accident. But it feels rewarding to play a game in a way that, at the end of it, will preserve both you and your opponents, who often aren't evil per se and don't deserve to die.

jonhohle 11y ago

I was a fan of the "Death" diplomacy in D3 /sarc. At least for the barbarian role, the solution to all problems was to murder the current antagonist, even when it seemed like the antagonizer's goal was effectively the same as the hero's; they just weren't the hero. The hero him/herself was responsible for as much or more death than any of the enemies.

TeMPOraL 11y ago
> The hero him/herself was responsible for as much or more death than any of the enemies. Isn't it so true about many popular stories? If you tally the body count, it often turns out that it's the protagonist who is the monster.
- eru 11y ago
  That's why in nethack you only meet three horsemen of the apocalypse (death, famine, pestilence). The player is implied to personify war. Mildly interesting on a pacifism run.
- qznc 11y ago
  The Sword of Good http://lesswrong.com/lw/169/the_sword_of_good/ http://lesswrong.com/lw/169/the_sword_of_good/
  - TeMPOraL 11y ago
    A great story, thanks for reminding me of it! Another interesting but little-known story by Eliezer is http://lesswrong.com/lw/y4/three_worlds_collide_08/ http://lesswrong.com/lw/y4/three_worlds_collide_08/.
- golergka 11y ago
  In a lot of stealth games like Metal Gear series you can kill only one or two bosses through the whole game, but it's extremely difficult.
  - TeMPOraL 11y ago
    Yup. Also a lot of stealth games actually incentivize you to avoid or stun your enemies instead of killing them, whether for scoring reasons or pragmatic ones (e.g. killing is loud, or triggers a heartbeat alarm that alerts others). Star Trek: Away Team, and more recently Invisible, Inc. come to mind. I like games that give you a non-violent path. I vividly remember enjoying Mirror's Edge trying to do a zero kill playthrough. It wasn't easy, because sometimes opponent jumped at you in such moments that you could kick them out of rooftops by accident. But it feels rewarding to play a game in a way that, at the end of it, will preserve both you and your opponents, who often aren't evil per se and don't deserve to die.