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> "The most infamous event in cricket was the 1932-33 English tour of Australia " Many fans of the game would likely disagree; personally, a couple of match fi

> "The most infamous event in cricket was the 1932-33 English tour of Australia " Many fans of the game would likely disagree; personally, a couple of match fixing scandals and the underarm delivery vs New Zealand were worse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkQRERykq5M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkQRERykq5M

trequartista 11y ago
Oh the match fixing scandals definitely did ruin the face of the game. There were other notable infamous incidents - the Rebel Series to South Africa during the 80s, the ball tampering scandal
zwischenzug 11y ago
Matter of opinion, but I'm not sure the events you reference resulted in diplomatic activity... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodyline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodyline
- praneshp 11y ago
  Dawood Ibrahim (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawood_Ibrahim https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawood_Ibrahim) is widely believed to be behind match fixing in cricket; I think that's worse than diplomatic activity. I agree, however, that what we are discussing is a matter of opinion.
danieltillett 11y ago
I have always wondered why we have not had a repeat of the underarm delivery [1], but just done by bowling overarm very, very slowly. As far as I know there is no rule in how fast the ball has to be bowled and if you bowled very slowly the ball would reach the batsman rolling along the ground. 1. For those that don't know the history of the underarm delivery, in a match between Australia and New Zealand the final ball was bowled underarm so the batsman had no chance of hitting the ball over the fence for 6. This was the only way NZ could win. For historical reasons bowling underarm had been allowed, but it had not been used for more than 100 years. Edit. There have been some changes to the rules so you can't let a ball bounce more than twice now [2]. You should be able to bowl very slowly though. 2. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_ball https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_ball
- rgovind 11y ago
  I believe now the rule is maximum one step before it reaches the batsman
  - danieltillett 11y ago
    It looks to a bit complex, but in international cricket the ball can't bounce more than twice. This change was made in 2000. What I found interesting reading the wiki article on no balls is that you can still bowl underarm provided both teams agree before the match starts.
- notahacker 11y ago
  A very slow ball with no spin is very easy to hit for six, especially if you're delivering the ball with an unnatural movement so the batsman knows your intention from your arm movement. Fast bowlers bowling towards the end of limited overs cricket and facing aggressive attacking shots actually do bowl occasional "slower balls" using their normal delivery stride to try to catch out opponents who tend to mistime shots when the ball arrives slightly later at ~70mph rather than the expected ~85mph. But you're not going to catch them out with a gentle 30mph lob down the pitch, just like a decent tennis player will not have difficulty returning an attempted drop shot serve
  - danieltillett 11y ago
    I wouldn’t say it was easy to hit a slow ball that is on or near the ground for 6, especially if the bowler hides their intention by releasing the ball out of the back of their hand. Letting the ball bounce twice was effective enough that the ECC banned it for county cricket just recently so obviously someone had the same clever idea as me :)
  - stevetrewick 11y ago
    >just like a decent tennis player will not have difficulty returning an attempted drop shot serve. County champ tennis player and LTA coach here. You might not see this much from tour players (though Razzano had a crack at it in Paris this year [0]) but I can assure you a well executed 'drop shot' serve will befuddle even the most experienced player. So much so that it is considered unsporting [1]. In fact, 'under hand' serving is allowed in tennis but it is conventional - though not a rule - to inform your opponent that you are doing so for this very reason. For a quick take on why, your expectation (long serve) will be violated. While you're getting over that you'll need to be running up court (getting on for 12m depending on where you were standing to receive) starting from a stance that was balanced to go left or right. By the time you get there, you're likely going to be hitting the ball on the drop with an over extended racquet which limits your shot selection quite drastically, and the whole back of the court is now open, rendering you vulnerable to a lob or passing shot - the very things that make drop shots such an effective weapon. I know a few players who are constantly working on their drop serves, but it is a super hard shot to play well, which is at least one of the reasons you won't see it much at pro tournaments, another being that spectators will literally boo you. (edit: balance parens) [0] http://m.tennis.com/photos-video/2015/05/videos-razzano-latest-unleash-underhand-serve-roland-garros-twice/55013/#.Ve_vh9l4XCR http://m.tennis.com/photos-video/2015/05/videos-razzano-late... [1] http://m.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/07/gentlemans-disagreement/52156/#.Ve_tvdl4XCR http://m.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/07/gentlemans-disagreement...
stevoski 11y ago
The underarm delivery was disgraceful. Almost as bad was those caramel fudge coloured uniforms the kiwis were wearing. In New Zealand in the months following the underarm disgrace, my ten-year-old friends would establish the rules for our games of backyard cricket by asking, "proper bowling or Australian rules?"

trequartista 11y ago

Oh the match fixing scandals definitely did ruin the face of the game. There were other notable infamous incidents - the Rebel Series to South Africa during the 80s, the ball tampering scandal

zwischenzug 11y ago

Matter of opinion, but I'm not sure the events you reference resulted in diplomatic activity... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodyline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodyline

praneshp 11y ago
Dawood Ibrahim (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawood_Ibrahim https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawood_Ibrahim) is widely believed to be behind match fixing in cricket; I think that's worse than diplomatic activity. I agree, however, that what we are discussing is a matter of opinion.

danieltillett 11y ago

I have always wondered why we have not had a repeat of the underarm delivery [1], but just done by bowling overarm very, very slowly. As far as I know there is no rule in how fast the ball has to be bowled and if you bowled very slowly the ball would reach the batsman rolling along the ground. 1. For those that don't know the history of the underarm delivery, in a match between Australia and New Zealand the final ball was bowled underarm so the batsman had no chance of hitting the ball over the fence for 6. This was the only way NZ could win. For historical reasons bowling underarm had been allowed, but it had not been used for more than 100 years. Edit. There have been some changes to the rules so you can't let a ball bounce more than twice now [2]. You should be able to bowl very slowly though. 2. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_ball https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_ball

rgovind 11y ago
I believe now the rule is maximum one step before it reaches the batsman
- danieltillett 11y ago
  It looks to a bit complex, but in international cricket the ball can't bounce more than twice. This change was made in 2000. What I found interesting reading the wiki article on no balls is that you can still bowl underarm provided both teams agree before the match starts.
notahacker 11y ago
A very slow ball with no spin is very easy to hit for six, especially if you're delivering the ball with an unnatural movement so the batsman knows your intention from your arm movement. Fast bowlers bowling towards the end of limited overs cricket and facing aggressive attacking shots actually do bowl occasional "slower balls" using their normal delivery stride to try to catch out opponents who tend to mistime shots when the ball arrives slightly later at ~70mph rather than the expected ~85mph. But you're not going to catch them out with a gentle 30mph lob down the pitch, just like a decent tennis player will not have difficulty returning an attempted drop shot serve
- danieltillett 11y ago
  I wouldn’t say it was easy to hit a slow ball that is on or near the ground for 6, especially if the bowler hides their intention by releasing the ball out of the back of their hand. Letting the ball bounce twice was effective enough that the ECC banned it for county cricket just recently so obviously someone had the same clever idea as me :)
- stevetrewick 11y ago
  >just like a decent tennis player will not have difficulty returning an attempted drop shot serve. County champ tennis player and LTA coach here. You might not see this much from tour players (though Razzano had a crack at it in Paris this year [0]) but I can assure you a well executed 'drop shot' serve will befuddle even the most experienced player. So much so that it is considered unsporting [1]. In fact, 'under hand' serving is allowed in tennis but it is conventional - though not a rule - to inform your opponent that you are doing so for this very reason. For a quick take on why, your expectation (long serve) will be violated. While you're getting over that you'll need to be running up court (getting on for 12m depending on where you were standing to receive) starting from a stance that was balanced to go left or right. By the time you get there, you're likely going to be hitting the ball on the drop with an over extended racquet which limits your shot selection quite drastically, and the whole back of the court is now open, rendering you vulnerable to a lob or passing shot - the very things that make drop shots such an effective weapon. I know a few players who are constantly working on their drop serves, but it is a super hard shot to play well, which is at least one of the reasons you won't see it much at pro tournaments, another being that spectators will literally boo you. (edit: balance parens) [0] http://m.tennis.com/photos-video/2015/05/videos-razzano-latest-unleash-underhand-serve-roland-garros-twice/55013/#.Ve_vh9l4XCR http://m.tennis.com/photos-video/2015/05/videos-razzano-late... [1] http://m.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/07/gentlemans-disagreement/52156/#.Ve_tvdl4XCR http://m.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/07/gentlemans-disagreement...

stevoski 11y ago

The underarm delivery was disgraceful. Almost as bad was those caramel fudge coloured uniforms the kiwis were wearing. In New Zealand in the months following the underarm disgrace, my ten-year-old friends would establish the rules for our games of backyard cricket by asking, "proper bowling or Australian rules?"