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Well, imagine this rant where "RoR" would be replaced by "java", wouldn't you imagine being the author of the pamphlet ? I'm frightened by such an uniform beh

Well, imagine this rant where "RoR" would be replaced by "java", wouldn't you imagine being the author of the pamphlet ? I'm frightened by such an uniform behavior in the YC community. By dismissing any dissenting point of view you kill diversity. I remind you that the next fad you (and I) will be trying to catch will be created by a guy bothered by the current state of things. Bothered enough to act (and reunite the "Tipping point" conditions). This guy attack RoR, he's attacked personally as trying to sound smart. Have you ever criticized anything ? (my karma will follow the Dow Jones today I think ....)

andyn 19y ago
You make a good point. My problem is that I'm tired of all these articles proclaiming "Skub considered harmful"[1], "Why Skub sucks", "Skub on rails sucks!" or "Skub ruining CS degrees". But it just goes round and round and round. Someone says something bad about Skub then another 6 blog posts pop up defending it and how the author is a douche. Then it just burns through the blog-sphere like a wildfire before burning out. Ready to start again! [1]: http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF020-Skub.gif http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF020-Skub.gif
- nraynaud 19y ago
  Yeah, I've a very good solution : stop upvoting those stories. But, if you specifically didn't vote for it, it is on the frontpage, so the majority of the group here think this kind of story is worth the energy.
davidw 19y ago
Uhm... I actually wrote my programming language, Hecl, in Java. While there is a lot I don't like about Java, I still don't like the tone of these kinds of articles. I think after a while you can sniff them out - when they're really trying to point out some deficiencies, and when they're just going for a boost by putting stuff down. At least that's my take on it. Slinging numbers like 100 and 0 is generally a sign of hyperbole.
- chaostheory 19y ago
  I agree instead of bitching about Rails, the guy should be writing about why Weblocks is so great - with more detail than: "because they actually stopped and thought about the whole thing for a moment, and try things that will address the problem as a whole"
sabat 19y ago
I don't think you could simply replace RoR with java (J2EE) in this particular post. But even if you could: you'd be right to cap on java. Java makes programming difficult. Some people like that. Many don't. Ruby makes programming easier. RoR makes doing webapps easier. This guy's premise, that there is no overarching philosophy to RoR, is incorrect, and shows unnecessary ignorance and anger. You have to wonder if he's just projecting.

andyn 19y ago

You make a good point. My problem is that I'm tired of all these articles proclaiming "Skub considered harmful"[1], "Why Skub sucks", "Skub on rails sucks!" or "Skub ruining CS degrees". But it just goes round and round and round. Someone says something bad about Skub then another 6 blog posts pop up defending it and how the author is a douche. Then it just burns through the blog-sphere like a wildfire before burning out. Ready to start again! [1]: http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF020-Skub.gif http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF020-Skub.gif

nraynaud 19y ago
Yeah, I've a very good solution : stop upvoting those stories. But, if you specifically didn't vote for it, it is on the frontpage, so the majority of the group here think this kind of story is worth the energy.

davidw 19y ago

Uhm... I actually wrote my programming language, Hecl, in Java. While there is a lot I don't like about Java, I still don't like the tone of these kinds of articles. I think after a while you can sniff them out - when they're really trying to point out some deficiencies, and when they're just going for a boost by putting stuff down. At least that's my take on it. Slinging numbers like 100 and 0 is generally a sign of hyperbole.

chaostheory 19y ago
I agree instead of bitching about Rails, the guy should be writing about why Weblocks is so great - with more detail than: "because they actually stopped and thought about the whole thing for a moment, and try things that will address the problem as a whole"

sabat 19y ago

I don't think you could simply replace RoR with java (J2EE) in this particular post. But even if you could: you'd be right to cap on java. Java makes programming difficult. Some people like that. Many don't. Ruby makes programming easier. RoR makes doing webapps easier. This guy's premise, that there is no overarching philosophy to RoR, is incorrect, and shows unnecessary ignorance and anger. You have to wonder if he's just projecting.