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I don't understand your reasoning. There are people that risk these penalties, therefore the penalties are just?

by Strang 11y ago

rhino369 11y ago
I meant that it must be "a vital societal good" since people risk the penalties for it. The civil and criminal fines are pretty damn ridiculous. If I were in charge, I'd treat it like a parking ticket. Your IP gets caught, you get a 75 dollar fine unless you can show it wasn't you. That's how we treat parking tickets. I just think it's silly for pirates to argue that the media content is worthless junk. Since they spend so much time consuming it for free. That goes double now that netflix has enough content for a lifetime for 8 bucks a month.
- Karunamon 11y ago
  You're making the tenuous argument that time spent watching has any correlation with monetary value. Netflix has its own problems, besides. Chief among those, the predatory licensing agreements causing entire swathes of content to vanish overnight, or the fact that those agreements are often local to the USA, causing people in other countries to get a vastly reduced/different catalog of content. If the movie industry wanted to serve their customers instead of screw them, they'd get their lawyers together and release their own Popcorn Time. Literally all the movies, $XX/month, no heavy infrastructure required beyond P2P, no worries about your favorites disappearing randomly some day. ..But they will never do that, because to do so would cause them to admit those evil pirates had the right idea, and cause the false valuation of their content to evaporate.
  - rhino369 11y ago
    The movie industry isn't a single company. They can't just make an all inclusive plan without violating some antitrust laws. Plus you essentially can do that on Amazon Instant or Itunes. It has nearly everything. Pirates just don't like paying 3 dollars a movie.
    - Karunamon 11y ago
      No, but it acts like one in all the ways that matter. If a couple of large studios got it into their mind to make this happen, the others would quickly fall in line. And what's more, "pirates" don't like paying any amount of money for DRM-encumbered crap. Streaming is a different beast, but even then it's a bad situation what with the time limits and such.

I don't understand your reasoning. There are people that risk these penalties, therefore the penalties are just?

by Strang 11y ago

I don't understand your reasoning. There are people that risk these penalties, therefore the penalties are just?

I meant that it must be "a vital societal good" since people risk the penalties for it. The civil and criminal fines are pretty damn ridiculous. If I were in charge, I'd treat it like a parking ticket. Your IP gets caught, you get a 75 dollar fine unless you can show it wasn't you. That's how we treat parking tickets. I just think it's silly for pirates to argue that the media content is worthless junk. Since they spend so much time consuming it for free. That goes double now that netflix has enough content for a lifetime for 8 bucks a month.

Karunamon 11y ago
You're making the tenuous argument that time spent watching has any correlation with monetary value. Netflix has its own problems, besides. Chief among those, the predatory licensing agreements causing entire swathes of content to vanish overnight, or the fact that those agreements are often local to the USA, causing people in other countries to get a vastly reduced/different catalog of content. If the movie industry wanted to serve their customers instead of screw them, they'd get their lawyers together and release their own Popcorn Time. Literally all the movies, $XX/month, no heavy infrastructure required beyond P2P, no worries about your favorites disappearing randomly some day. ..But they will never do that, because to do so would cause them to admit those evil pirates had the right idea, and cause the false valuation of their content to evaporate.
- rhino369 11y ago
  The movie industry isn't a single company. They can't just make an all inclusive plan without violating some antitrust laws. Plus you essentially can do that on Amazon Instant or Itunes. It has nearly everything. Pirates just don't like paying 3 dollars a movie.
  - Karunamon 11y ago
    No, but it acts like one in all the ways that matter. If a couple of large studios got it into their mind to make this happen, the others would quickly fall in line. And what's more, "pirates" don't like paying any amount of money for DRM-encumbered crap. Streaming is a different beast, but even then it's a bad situation what with the time limits and such.