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So luggage handlers can open my suitcase, put in some drugs, and at the other end I can get caught for having drugs in my luggage? They should setup a service

by rogeryu 11y ago

So luggage handlers can open my suitcase, put in some drugs, and at the other end I can get caught for having drugs in my luggage? They should setup a service where you checkin your luggage, they check it for drugs or illegal stuff, they seal it, and at arrival you get your suitcase with the guarantee that it had no drugs at checkin.

leephillips 11y ago
If the authorities want to frame you they don't have to go to so much trouble. The officer just uses the drugs in his pocket. The problem is the laws, clearly.
- alistairSH 11y ago
  I assume the goal isn't to frame you, but to smuggle drugs. Baggage handler/TSA agent at airport #1 opens baggage, places drugs inside, calls baggage hander/TSA agent at airport #2 with luggage brand and traveler name. When flight arrives, hander #2 intercepts baggage. At this point, they either take the whole suitcase, or remove the drugs and the traveler is none the wiser.
mtgx 11y ago
Don't give them anymore business model ideas.
mseebach 11y ago
I think Bruce Schneier has a term for coming up with theoretical threats and then "fixing" that threat through an elaborate system.
3pt14159 11y ago
The counter measure to this is loudly speaking out, not other systems. When enough people speak out a system gets a reputation. It is how we understand a country as being corrupt or hostile. If they want to frame you, it is really, really easy. The problem they have is they can only frame a couple dozen people before they lose a huge amount of trust.
donkeyd 11y ago
Them taking out the drugs at arrival would be a better plan I think.
mikeash 11y ago
Just bring your own drugs. What are the odds of two people putting drugs in the same suitcase?
SyneRyder 11y ago
You've just described the conspiracy theory behind the Schapelle Corby drugs case in Australia, who claimed the drugs she'd been caught with in Indonesia must have been planted by a baggage handler: http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Bag-handler-theory-over-Corby-case/2005/03/07/1110160746484.html http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Bag-handler-theory-ov... At the time, the case & defence theory was so high profile that Australian airports had a service to seal your luggage in layers of shrink-wrap before your overseas flight, so you could know if your luggage had been tampered with by baggage handlers and prevent it being "Schapelle'd": https://www.choice.com.au/travel/on-holidays/luggage/articles/luggage-security https://www.choice.com.au/travel/on-holidays/luggage/article... As for the TSA locks, the Prestolock TSA Search Alert locks come with a green/red indicator to show if the lock has been opened by a TSA key. Though the TSA tend to leave a notice in your bag as well saying it was opened for inspection.
- FireBeyond 11y ago
  Yeah, I can't say I had much sympathy for Schapelle: It was claimed that she was the unwitting victim of a domestic airport transshipping smuggling ring, who would stuff drugs in unwitting passengers bags and pick them up at the other end. Her lawyer later admitted that this theory and the 'evidence' the defense presented around it was his invention, to the point where he was disbarred. She claimed that she had never been involved with marijuana nor had anyone in her family. Photos and other evidence surfaced showing her smoking, and before and after her trial, family members including her mother were charged with drug offenses, including 'supply' offenses, not just possession. Photos of her surfaced with known drug dealers and smugglers. The most damaging of these was with a drug smuggler. Schapelle claimed that the photo was from 'years ago' and that she had disavowed contact after learning of his involvement. The Indonesian prosecution showed that the photo was taken at the jail where she was being held pre-trial. I'm not a smoker, but definitely pro-legalization. But her case was exactly that, full of conspiracy theories that had little to no backing in reality.

by rogeryu 11y ago

leephillips 11y ago

If the authorities want to frame you they don't have to go to so much trouble. The officer just uses the drugs in his pocket. The problem is the laws, clearly.

alistairSH 11y ago
I assume the goal isn't to frame you, but to smuggle drugs. Baggage handler/TSA agent at airport #1 opens baggage, places drugs inside, calls baggage hander/TSA agent at airport #2 with luggage brand and traveler name. When flight arrives, hander #2 intercepts baggage. At this point, they either take the whole suitcase, or remove the drugs and the traveler is none the wiser.

mtgx 11y ago

Don't give them anymore business model ideas.

mseebach 11y ago

I think Bruce Schneier has a term for coming up with theoretical threats and then "fixing" that threat through an elaborate system.

3pt14159 11y ago

The counter measure to this is loudly speaking out, not other systems. When enough people speak out a system gets a reputation. It is how we understand a country as being corrupt or hostile. If they want to frame you, it is really, really easy. The problem they have is they can only frame a couple dozen people before they lose a huge amount of trust.

donkeyd 11y ago

Them taking out the drugs at arrival would be a better plan I think.

mikeash 11y ago

Just bring your own drugs. What are the odds of two people putting drugs in the same suitcase?

SyneRyder 11y ago

You've just described the conspiracy theory behind the Schapelle Corby drugs case in Australia, who claimed the drugs she'd been caught with in Indonesia must have been planted by a baggage handler: http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Bag-handler-theory-over-Corby-case/2005/03/07/1110160746484.html http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Bag-handler-theory-ov... At the time, the case & defence theory was so high profile that Australian airports had a service to seal your luggage in layers of shrink-wrap before your overseas flight, so you could know if your luggage had been tampered with by baggage handlers and prevent it being "Schapelle'd": https://www.choice.com.au/travel/on-holidays/luggage/articles/luggage-security https://www.choice.com.au/travel/on-holidays/luggage/article... As for the TSA locks, the Prestolock TSA Search Alert locks come with a green/red indicator to show if the lock has been opened by a TSA key. Though the TSA tend to leave a notice in your bag as well saying it was opened for inspection.

FireBeyond 11y ago
Yeah, I can't say I had much sympathy for Schapelle: It was claimed that she was the unwitting victim of a domestic airport transshipping smuggling ring, who would stuff drugs in unwitting passengers bags and pick them up at the other end. Her lawyer later admitted that this theory and the 'evidence' the defense presented around it was his invention, to the point where he was disbarred. She claimed that she had never been involved with marijuana nor had anyone in her family. Photos and other evidence surfaced showing her smoking, and before and after her trial, family members including her mother were charged with drug offenses, including 'supply' offenses, not just possession. Photos of her surfaced with known drug dealers and smugglers. The most damaging of these was with a drug smuggler. Schapelle claimed that the photo was from 'years ago' and that she had disavowed contact after learning of his involvement. The Indonesian prosecution showed that the photo was taken at the jail where she was being held pre-trial. I'm not a smoker, but definitely pro-legalization. But her case was exactly that, full of conspiracy theories that had little to no backing in reality.