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I'm so annoyed with watching ads being my capitalist duty. I do not want to be told to buy things I do not need. What I want is to look at a web site, not to be

by jordigh 11y ago

I'm so annoyed with watching ads being my capitalist duty. I do not want to be told to buy things I do not need. What I want is to look at a web site, not to be told to buy shoes. If you think, website owner, that I am losing you money by refusing to be told to buy home insurance, then just give me a way to give you that money directly and stop nagging me about it.

ig1 11y ago
How many websites do you subscribe/donate to ?
- NikhilVerma 11y ago
  That's a silly argument to make. It's just not easy to setup a donation system as easily, if sites I visit had an option for easy microtransactions many people would do it in a heartbeat.
  - stephengillie 11y ago
    Like a one-click Stripe-me-a-dollar button?
corobo 11y ago
I have to call bull on this. You'd donate to my tiny site that popped up in a Google search, one that you'll likely only visit once? Just by me providing a donation link?
- tonyedgecombe 11y ago
  If they couldn't get revenue from adverts my guess is the content industry would come up with a solution to this pretty quickly.
- valarauca1 11y ago
  If the site offered functionality I needed, or liked the answer is yes. Services like Patreon are great for this model. Where I can just throw $2-3 USD per month at artists or projects I want to continue making new things. The challenge is you the creator needs to make a service or tool that I actually want, need, or of such exemplary quality that I feel obligated to help see it continue existing. This isn't a new daring model of funding, NPR/PBS/FSF have done this for decades.
  - corobo 11y ago
    Ok so let's say you are having trouble with your wifi on windows 8. It mysteriously keeps dropping out You search google for "windows 8 wifi keeps dropping out" and you hit my site. My site tells you it's likely windows disabling the adapter to save power and how to stop it from doing that. Your issue is resolved and your life is that much easier for it. But you'll never be back to that site that fixed your wifi You're going to pay monthly for that one time? I'll stick with ads in the hopes that not everyone uses an ad blocker. Ads are the only viable revenue for drive-by sites like this. Ones that help a multitude of single specific issues that aren't related enough for many to subscribe for long periods of time
    - jordigh 11y ago
      Okay, fine. I visited your website, refused to be told to buy a subscription to a dating website, and now after you've served me the page and saw that my browser isn't rendering something that is telling me about that subscripton, you then decide to tell my web browser to not show anything at all. From here I am supposed to feel guilty for not wanting to hear about that new car model, and thus after hearing about about that new magazine I should buy, I shall be allowed to hear how to fix my computer problems. Thus I learn how to fix things, you get some fractions of a penny off me, and hopefully I will some day go on to buy some great new self-help book. This sucks. I don't want to be told to buy anything. If you want money, just take my money. Don't tell me to give other people money.
      - corobo 11y ago
- ronjouch 11y ago
  I'll just add one word to Jordi's sentence: "just give me a way to _conveniently_ give you that money directly". Like you can't ask people to encrypt their email if it makes their life harder, you can't expect website users to go through repeated hoops for the sake of properly remunerating a website. It's just too much of a hassle, the easy option (installing an ad-blocker) will win. I will neither make the effort to click the "Donate" link on each site I visit, but what if we could dedicate a Flattr/Patreon-like monthly amount to supporting websites? It could be: - Slowly drained during the month, or split at the end of the month in proportion of the visits. - Done by the ISP? It would probably be the least privacy-invasive option, since they are already being trusted with knowing what my usage is. Imagine your ISP usage dashboard greeting you with "You're on a 2MB unlimited ADSL line, for 40 $/month. You are also choosing to pay 10 $/month for proportional website remuneration, which currently will go to these sites: <pie chart showing my money split>. Websites frequently visited but not appearing here might not be part of ProportionalMonetizationPlatform, or be paid apps that you remunerate directly."
  - corobo 11y ago
    Edit: This post is just terrible on my part, leaving it here solely for the fact it has a response below it, but I apologise for it's existence. --- I think I'd rather just let you visit with an ad blocker than try to convince anyone that that idea would work You're effectively trying to take America's tipping system and apply it to your ISP and apply that to the world? Do you know how many ISPs there are in the world? They can barely agree on where to route traffic sometimes much less a system that wouldn't benefit them in any way I think you're proposing the impossible to put yourself in a morally good position. "I'll never view ads because <impossible request>" like the people that claim piracy is fine because they wouldn't have bought the content anyway so nobody loses out. It's just a lie, it'd be more honest to just say "fuck content creators, I'm not watching adverts. Who cares if they can't make money" than this method of remuneration you've come up with
    - ronjouch 11y ago
      Hey, thanks for acknowledging the idea. May I point you to the conditionals in my post implying the possibility of a honest debate? Instead of aggressively caricaturing and strawman-ing me, could you try to discuss it? - Where do you see the slightest tentative to put "myself in a good position" ? I'm making a proposal and seeing what other members of this community think about it. - Bravo for implying I'm saying "fuck to content creators" . Because, yes, I have both Patreon and Flattr accounts donating to a few of them. But like said elsewhere in this thread by another commenter, this fails to compensate "one-off websites" and am discussing what a solution could look like without the drawbacks of advertising. - So because of some technicality (ISPs not agreeing) we are prohibited from even talking about changing anything?! Applause, nice approach to problem solving.
- jordigh 11y ago
  Put a bitcoin url there with the amount you think you lost by me refusing to be told to buy an Apple product, and sure, I'll send you some dust. If micropayments will never work, via bitcoin or anything else, then another alternative is Google Contributor. https://www.google.com/contributor/welcome/ https://www.google.com/contributor/welcome/ But there has to be a better way than trying to get me to buy shit I don't need. Our web browsing experience shouldn't be powering consummerism.

by jordigh 11y ago

ig1 11y ago

How many websites do you subscribe/donate to ?

NikhilVerma 11y ago
That's a silly argument to make. It's just not easy to setup a donation system as easily, if sites I visit had an option for easy microtransactions many people would do it in a heartbeat.
- stephengillie 11y ago
  Like a one-click Stripe-me-a-dollar button?

corobo 11y ago

I have to call bull on this. You'd donate to my tiny site that popped up in a Google search, one that you'll likely only visit once? Just by me providing a donation link?

tonyedgecombe 11y ago
If they couldn't get revenue from adverts my guess is the content industry would come up with a solution to this pretty quickly.
valarauca1 11y ago
If the site offered functionality I needed, or liked the answer is yes. Services like Patreon are great for this model. Where I can just throw $2-3 USD per month at artists or projects I want to continue making new things. The challenge is you the creator needs to make a service or tool that I actually want, need, or of such exemplary quality that I feel obligated to help see it continue existing. This isn't a new daring model of funding, NPR/PBS/FSF have done this for decades.
- corobo 11y ago
  Ok so let's say you are having trouble with your wifi on windows 8. It mysteriously keeps dropping out You search google for "windows 8 wifi keeps dropping out" and you hit my site. My site tells you it's likely windows disabling the adapter to save power and how to stop it from doing that. Your issue is resolved and your life is that much easier for it. But you'll never be back to that site that fixed your wifi You're going to pay monthly for that one time? I'll stick with ads in the hopes that not everyone uses an ad blocker. Ads are the only viable revenue for drive-by sites like this. Ones that help a multitude of single specific issues that aren't related enough for many to subscribe for long periods of time
  - jordigh 11y ago
    Okay, fine. I visited your website, refused to be told to buy a subscription to a dating website, and now after you've served me the page and saw that my browser isn't rendering something that is telling me about that subscripton, you then decide to tell my web browser to not show anything at all. From here I am supposed to feel guilty for not wanting to hear about that new car model, and thus after hearing about about that new magazine I should buy, I shall be allowed to hear how to fix my computer problems. Thus I learn how to fix things, you get some fractions of a penny off me, and hopefully I will some day go on to buy some great new self-help book. This sucks. I don't want to be told to buy anything. If you want money, just take my money. Don't tell me to give other people money.
    - corobo 11y ago
ronjouch 11y ago
I'll just add one word to Jordi's sentence: "just give me a way to _conveniently_ give you that money directly". Like you can't ask people to encrypt their email if it makes their life harder, you can't expect website users to go through repeated hoops for the sake of properly remunerating a website. It's just too much of a hassle, the easy option (installing an ad-blocker) will win. I will neither make the effort to click the "Donate" link on each site I visit, but what if we could dedicate a Flattr/Patreon-like monthly amount to supporting websites? It could be: - Slowly drained during the month, or split at the end of the month in proportion of the visits. - Done by the ISP? It would probably be the least privacy-invasive option, since they are already being trusted with knowing what my usage is. Imagine your ISP usage dashboard greeting you with "You're on a 2MB unlimited ADSL line, for 40 $/month. You are also choosing to pay 10 $/month for proportional website remuneration, which currently will go to these sites: <pie chart showing my money split>. Websites frequently visited but not appearing here might not be part of ProportionalMonetizationPlatform, or be paid apps that you remunerate directly."
- corobo 11y ago
  Edit: This post is just terrible on my part, leaving it here solely for the fact it has a response below it, but I apologise for it's existence. --- I think I'd rather just let you visit with an ad blocker than try to convince anyone that that idea would work You're effectively trying to take America's tipping system and apply it to your ISP and apply that to the world? Do you know how many ISPs there are in the world? They can barely agree on where to route traffic sometimes much less a system that wouldn't benefit them in any way I think you're proposing the impossible to put yourself in a morally good position. "I'll never view ads because <impossible request>" like the people that claim piracy is fine because they wouldn't have bought the content anyway so nobody loses out. It's just a lie, it'd be more honest to just say "fuck content creators, I'm not watching adverts. Who cares if they can't make money" than this method of remuneration you've come up with
  - ronjouch 11y ago
    Hey, thanks for acknowledging the idea. May I point you to the conditionals in my post implying the possibility of a honest debate? Instead of aggressively caricaturing and strawman-ing me, could you try to discuss it? - Where do you see the slightest tentative to put "myself in a good position" ? I'm making a proposal and seeing what other members of this community think about it. - Bravo for implying I'm saying "fuck to content creators" . Because, yes, I have both Patreon and Flattr accounts donating to a few of them. But like said elsewhere in this thread by another commenter, this fails to compensate "one-off websites" and am discussing what a solution could look like without the drawbacks of advertising. - So because of some technicality (ISPs not agreeing) we are prohibited from even talking about changing anything?! Applause, nice approach to problem solving.
jordigh 11y ago
Put a bitcoin url there with the amount you think you lost by me refusing to be told to buy an Apple product, and sure, I'll send you some dust. If micropayments will never work, via bitcoin or anything else, then another alternative is Google Contributor. https://www.google.com/contributor/welcome/ https://www.google.com/contributor/welcome/ But there has to be a better way than trying to get me to buy shit I don't need. Our web browsing experience shouldn't be powering consummerism.