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I feel terrible that my sausagy American fingers accidentally downvoted you because you make an excellent point. I fear that by stripping people of their agency

I feel terrible that my sausagy American fingers accidentally downvoted you because you make an excellent point. I fear that by stripping people of their agency when it comes to things they've already purchased implies that companies not only still own things you buy, but by extension, they own you. They own your priorities for use, your necessity for repair, and your creativity for adaptation. It's like if it were illegal to use anything but Home Depot(TM) nails on Home Depot(TM) planks, or auto shops that have to kick back to Ford or GM or else they couldn't touch your car. I can't see this principle as anything but incumbent crony capitalism and a completely unnecessary drag on the economy.

jdmichal 11y ago
> It's like if it were illegal to use anything but Home Depot(TM) nails on Home Depot(TM) planks, or auto shops that have to kick back to Ford or GM or else they couldn't touch your car. It's actually nothing like that. It's like Ford refusing to sell you parts for your car. Or Apple refusing to sell you parts for their computers. Nothing says you can't acquire parts from another manufacturer, nor is there anything preventing you from performing the repairs yourself. (Other than maybe warranty terms, which is IMO not a moral hazard.)
- TheLoneWolfling 11y ago
  > Nothing says you can't acquire parts from another manufacturer, nor is there anything preventing you from performing the repairs yourself. Incorrect. > I'm not sure if you've been keeping up with US news, but this isn't true, at least until it's decided in court. GM, John Deere, and Ford all have the opposite opinion[1][2][3] > [1]http://www.againstcronycapitalism.org/2015/04/john-deere-and.. http://www.againstcronycapitalism.org/2015/04/john-deere-and.... > [2]https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150421/23581430744/gm-sa.. https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150421/23581430744/gm-sa.... > [3]http://news.boldride.com/2015/04/gm-wants-to-make-working-on.. http://news.boldride.com/2015/04/gm-wants-to-make-working-on.... > Not to mention I think it's currently illegal to Jailbreak an iPhone or root an Android, despite them being yours. > I really do wish the US was as cut/dry as you make it seem, and I wish they cared about consumers more, but in reality, Companies get far more rights then we, as consumers, do. For instance: parts that refuse to work unless all other parts return a handshake containing a copyrighted message.

jdmichal 11y ago

> It's like if it were illegal to use anything but Home Depot(TM) nails on Home Depot(TM) planks, or auto shops that have to kick back to Ford or GM or else they couldn't touch your car. It's actually nothing like that. It's like Ford refusing to sell you parts for your car. Or Apple refusing to sell you parts for their computers. Nothing says you can't acquire parts from another manufacturer, nor is there anything preventing you from performing the repairs yourself. (Other than maybe warranty terms, which is IMO not a moral hazard.)

TheLoneWolfling 11y ago
> Nothing says you can't acquire parts from another manufacturer, nor is there anything preventing you from performing the repairs yourself. Incorrect. > I'm not sure if you've been keeping up with US news, but this isn't true, at least until it's decided in court. GM, John Deere, and Ford all have the opposite opinion[1][2][3] > [1]http://www.againstcronycapitalism.org/2015/04/john-deere-and.. http://www.againstcronycapitalism.org/2015/04/john-deere-and.... > [2]https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150421/23581430744/gm-sa.. https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150421/23581430744/gm-sa.... > [3]http://news.boldride.com/2015/04/gm-wants-to-make-working-on.. http://news.boldride.com/2015/04/gm-wants-to-make-working-on.... > Not to mention I think it's currently illegal to Jailbreak an iPhone or root an Android, despite them being yours. > I really do wish the US was as cut/dry as you make it seem, and I wish they cared about consumers more, but in reality, Companies get far more rights then we, as consumers, do. For instance: parts that refuse to work unless all other parts return a handshake containing a copyrighted message.