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Start/Stop and Turbos are fine. I experience both in my 2012 Z4. That little turbo hardtop car is averaging over thirty miles per gallon for me while driving lo

Start/Stop and Turbos are fine. I experience both in my 2012 Z4. That little turbo hardtop car is averaging over thirty miles per gallon for me while driving locally/commuting and hit forty on a long distance trip. So all that mileage and fun, I will take it. BMW is going to PHEV/Hybrid all their cars within five to ten years so I expect we will get used to it. Far better option than lugging around eight hundred or more pounds of battery. Figure your going to end up with quite a few three cylinder engines and such until eventually replaced by some form of fuel cell and buffer battery. I don't think BMW is losing its handling prowess, I do think others are catching up and a few surpass them here and there; Jaguar is getting good marks.

marincounty 11y ago
All this engineering is fine, until that sensor, or system breaks down? These vehicles are becomming so difficult to work on even the dealership mechanics are learning on the the customers' dime. I won't even get started on the proprietary software, and the fact that independent 3 party repair shops can't even buy access to the repair codes. My father used to say I can roll down my own windows. I thought at the time he was being to hard on the industry. They finally engineered servos that worked longer than a year. He would flip if he saw just how complicated vechicles have become, and how he would wouldn't be able to buy a service manual, and do most of repairs. My father bought very few new automobiles, but always bought a factory service manual, and did all his own repairs. His last vechicle was a 98 Dodge Dakota. It was still simple enough for him to work on, and now myself to work on. (My father passed away a few years after he bought the Dodge.) I will hand it to certain companies, like Toyota, who engineer complicated vechicles, but these vechicles are putting easily 250,000 miles on the odometer. Yes, a lot of the fancy features/gadgets stop working, but the vechicle still runs, and gets through smog. Needed advances in technology--yes! Fluff/gadgets--no! But I'm just an older guy who really never got the need for so many retractable beverage holders.
- protomyth 11y ago
  The sad part is that electric cars should be simpler to work on than gas powered cars. I honestly think a company that builds a easy to repair electric will make cash. They will probably still make fine money off service, but having the option means something to people recommending product. // sorry for your loss - glad the vehicle lives on
- S_A_P 11y ago
  I think that the sad thing is that many of todays "future classics" wont be on the road in 40-50 years as the computers/sensors/gadgetry will be unavailable and just wont last. Meanwhile cars built before ~1975 will still be plugging along in all of their analog/mechanical goodness.

marincounty 11y ago

All this engineering is fine, until that sensor, or system breaks down? These vehicles are becomming so difficult to work on even the dealership mechanics are learning on the the customers' dime. I won't even get started on the proprietary software, and the fact that independent 3 party repair shops can't even buy access to the repair codes. My father used to say I can roll down my own windows. I thought at the time he was being to hard on the industry. They finally engineered servos that worked longer than a year. He would flip if he saw just how complicated vechicles have become, and how he would wouldn't be able to buy a service manual, and do most of repairs. My father bought very few new automobiles, but always bought a factory service manual, and did all his own repairs. His last vechicle was a 98 Dodge Dakota. It was still simple enough for him to work on, and now myself to work on. (My father passed away a few years after he bought the Dodge.) I will hand it to certain companies, like Toyota, who engineer complicated vechicles, but these vechicles are putting easily 250,000 miles on the odometer. Yes, a lot of the fancy features/gadgets stop working, but the vechicle still runs, and gets through smog. Needed advances in technology--yes! Fluff/gadgets--no! But I'm just an older guy who really never got the need for so many retractable beverage holders.

protomyth 11y ago
The sad part is that electric cars should be simpler to work on than gas powered cars. I honestly think a company that builds a easy to repair electric will make cash. They will probably still make fine money off service, but having the option means something to people recommending product. // sorry for your loss - glad the vehicle lives on
S_A_P 11y ago
I think that the sad thing is that many of todays "future classics" wont be on the road in 40-50 years as the computers/sensors/gadgetry will be unavailable and just wont last. Meanwhile cars built before ~1975 will still be plugging along in all of their analog/mechanical goodness.