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Diagnosing Memory “Leaks” in Python
- cheez 11y agoKind of surprised the poster didn't know that operating systems often hold on to memory. > we noticed that the memory of the celery process was continuing to grow. Doesn't look like there was any bad outcome related to this observation. Was any process not getting the memory it wanted?
- ldarby 11y agoThere are in fact bad outcomes of continued memory growth - firstly there is a catastrophic performance degradation when processes start getting swapped to disk, then when swap space runs out Linux's OOM killer starts killing processes in an attempt to free up memory. Kind of surprised you didn't know this.
- falsedan 11y agobuy more RAM KIND OF SURPRISED YOU DIDN'T BUY MORE RAM
- cheez 11y agoExcept that didn't happen, according to the post.
- ldarby 11y agoThe post says: "Indeed, the processes grew from their initial size of 100MB, slowly, all the way up to 1GB before we killed them." The important part is that they manually killed the processes before they let it start swapping.
- cheez 11y agoAgain, they didn't actually have anything bad happen. Bad: processes couldn't get memory. Not bad: I was using 3 GB of memory.
- mkesper 11y agoProblem seems to be solved in Python 3.3+: http://bugs.python.org/issue11849 http://bugs.python.org/issue11849 The article mentions some interesting disgnostic tools, though.
- Drdrdrq 11y agoThe linked issue probably has nothing to do with the case (see last 3 comments on issue page). Nice summary of python memory debugging tools though. I would add dowser to the list too.
- hassy 11y agoNice read, even though I haven't written any Python in a long time. Memory management in modern OSes is very complicated and there isn't a simple answer to "how much memory is my process using exactly". [1] Memory growth / usage isn't usually something to worry about unless memory growth is constant under load and/or OOM killer kicks in. Also consider that `heapy` will probably only report on objects created by your Python code, and not any memory taken up by native code in the interpreter itself or any shared libraries. 1. For example see: - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/860878/tracking-actively-used-memory-in-linux-programs/872456 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/860878/tracking-actively-... - https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-list/1999-September/msg00036.html https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-list/1999-September/ms... - http://bmaurer.blogspot.co.uk/2006/03/memory-usage-with-smaps.html http://bmaurer.blogspot.co.uk/2006/03/memory-usage-with-smap...
- ThePhysicist 11y agoI encountered the "memory hogging" behavior of Python processes once, where I was sure that my GC worked correctly and that I released all unused objects but still the memory of the process would keep growing. I also remember having this problem with a C++ once as well. It doesn't seem a problem though since the OS should normally release the memory if it's needed by another process. Still, this kind of behavior can definitely drive you nuts. BTW Celery is usually not a good fit for long running processes, because if you have many of those processes running in parallel within a production system it will get really difficult restarting the Celerey daemon as it will have to wait for all these processes to stop (during which no new tasks can be processed). Why restart at all you ask? Well, restarting is necessary to reload the code, as it is not recommended to use the autoreloader in a production system. This problem persists even when using the multiprocessing module btw (as the author suggested), since on Linux Python uses fork() to create a new process, thereby just copying the whole memory of the given process.
- ledil 11y agoWhat do you consider as alternative to celery?
- ThePhysicist 11y agoIf you find one, let me know ;) I'm looking for something myself currently. There's RQ (http://python-rq.org/ http://python-rq.org/) but it seems to have a similar design as Celery (just a simpler architecture) so it probably suffers from the same problem. A good solution would be to have a series of workers that can launch new independent Python processes for each task, e.g. using the subprocess module.
- aidos 11y agoI have long running jobs (say, 5 minutes on average - up to an hour). I originally used celery (after picloud shut down) but it just doesn't work well with those charcteristics. Each worker reserved an extra job so it was impossible to get good cpu utilisation. I switched to rq and it's all been much easier. The behaviour is easy to understand and it's easy to inspect redis to see what's going on. In terms of the code restart angle - I'm fairly sure you can effectively restart the workers. They run as a single process that forks to do work. Each copy you run only has a single worker, so you need to run multiple instances yourself. If you kill the parent it waits until the child has finished the job it is on before terminating. I could be wrong about some of the details. I'd recommend giving it a shot. I must have run 100,000s of jobs through it now and I haven't had a single issue. http://python-rq.org/docs/workers/ http://python-rq.org/docs/workers/
- curiousjorge 11y agoimport resource import objgraph these are some golden modules that I never knew about
- hydrogen18 11y agoIf you think you actually have a memory leak in python, the first thing to do is to recompile without the internal memory manager in python. This avoids the problem the author is addressing.
- jsmeaton 11y agoCan you expand on this a little more or provide some links that explain? What happens to memory if you remove the memory manager?
- hydrogen18 11y agoIt just uses the provided malloc & free implementations from the underlying C standard library.
- vvanders 11y agoKinda surprised the author didn't know about compacting GCs that solve memory fragmentation(at the cost if having a GC).
- IgorPartola 11y agoOnce I had to fix a severe memory leak in piece of Python code. None of the available tools revealed anything useful. I ended up just adding debug statements to the hot loop to see which step caused the memory usage to jump. Should have known the answer: a bad C extension was leaking memory. Lesson learned.
- danudey 11y agolibzmq apparently has a bug where it creates structures to handle connections every time you connect, and it cleans them up after processing data. This means that if you connect then disconnect without sending data, you leak memory. It's trivial to run a "for i in …" and cause a zmq app to leak gigabytes of memory in a matter of seconds. Highly problematic.
- toong 11y agoAre you referring to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10175751 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10175751 ?
- rasz_pl 11y agotldr: uses python 2.x, discovers known, fixed long ago behaviour