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There weren't "watch lists" prior to 9/11, The FBI was alerted to shady behavior by a number of them though which seems to be exactly what happened in this case

by pmorici 17y ago

There weren't "watch lists" prior to 9/11, The FBI was alerted to shady behavior by a number of them though which seems to be exactly what happened in this case. Do you similarly think sex offender lists are a joke?

philwelch 17y ago
I think a 16 year old kid caught fucking his 15 year old girlfriend, or a drunk college kid caught pissing on the sidewalk, deserves a punishment that's a little less severe than lifelong registration and shame.
- jrockway 17y ago
  But it was sex. SEX!!!!
NikkiA 17y ago
There absolutely were 'watch-lists' prior to 9/11 - in fact, I recall when I entered the US in 1995 watching as the passport control guy checked me against the watchlist - what there wasn't, was a 'no-fly list'.
jrockway 17y ago
Do you similarly think sex offender lists are a joke? Until we have murder offender lists, traffic violation list, and credit-card-bill-underpayment lists, yes. Why only shame sex offenders when we can exile everyone for one mistake? I think the next step is to require sex offenders to wear little stars on their clothing when they go outside. That way they can be recognized and treated appropriately. I hear that worked pretty well for getting rid of Germany's Undesirables.
ahoyhere 17y ago
We know sex offender lists are a joke -- because you can get on them for pissing in public, having sex with a fellow teenager, developing photos of you/your wife breastfeeding your baby, and, most ridiculously, for distributing naked pictures of your underaged self. And, we know the no-fly lists are also a joke. Unless the Penis Bomber also burned off all the memories of the "2-year-old Toddler Not Allowed To Fly" and "Senator Not Allowed To Fly" etc new stories from the past 6-7 years. It's sheer populism, pandering to the worst impulses of everyone. Bad bad bad -- not to mention ineffective.

by pmorici 17y ago

philwelch 17y ago

I think a 16 year old kid caught fucking his 15 year old girlfriend, or a drunk college kid caught pissing on the sidewalk, deserves a punishment that's a little less severe than lifelong registration and shame.

jrockway 17y ago
But it was sex. SEX!!!!

NikkiA 17y ago

There absolutely were 'watch-lists' prior to 9/11 - in fact, I recall when I entered the US in 1995 watching as the passport control guy checked me against the watchlist - what there wasn't, was a 'no-fly list'.

jrockway 17y ago

Do you similarly think sex offender lists are a joke? Until we have murder offender lists, traffic violation list, and credit-card-bill-underpayment lists, yes. Why only shame sex offenders when we can exile everyone for one mistake? I think the next step is to require sex offenders to wear little stars on their clothing when they go outside. That way they can be recognized and treated appropriately. I hear that worked pretty well for getting rid of Germany's Undesirables.

ahoyhere 17y ago

We know sex offender lists are a joke -- because you can get on them for pissing in public, having sex with a fellow teenager, developing photos of you/your wife breastfeeding your baby, and, most ridiculously, for distributing naked pictures of your underaged self. And, we know the no-fly lists are also a joke. Unless the Penis Bomber also burned off all the memories of the "2-year-old Toddler Not Allowed To Fly" and "Senator Not Allowed To Fly" etc new stories from the past 6-7 years. It's sheer populism, pandering to the worst impulses of everyone. Bad bad bad -- not to mention ineffective.